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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:20 am 
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I've been away from the news since before the labor agreement occurred. I may have missed some moves as I am trying to digest all that has gone on in the past couple of weeks. I would like to say that I think Angelo has sucked in signing UDFAs, his own FA and other team's FA. After all these years that motherfucker still doesn't understand the importance of an OL.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 8:37 am 
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To be fair, Angelo offered a contract to Willie Colon (one of the best available), who decided to take less money to play with the Steelers.


Don't get me wrong, I hate Angelo, but yea.


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I think they are still about 25M under the cap, so there is hope there.

All the moves might be improvements but think they are slight. It's like they are running in place.


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I don't think Roy Williams is a slight improvement. At least it has to the chance to be a bigtime upgrade.

The OLine does not concern me near as much as the secondary does.

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 Post subject: Re: Angelo
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I am flying a little blindly here but Roy Williams signed for 2.5 million and one year while Braylon Edwards signed for 3.5. I think the difference in talent and production is significantly better than 1 million and I would have had Roy well down the list with the likes of Plaxico and Moss.

The Falcons had two guards and a tackle as FA. All would have been an upgrade and the Falcons weren't going to be able to sign all three. The Bears could have picked off one of those guards and immediately started him.

You don't do what you did to Kreutz. If you don't want him, that is a defensible business decision. You don't treat a loyal employee, who you should be soon looking to incorporate into your community liason department, like a jerkoff.

From what I could see, they were pitiful in there UDFA signings.

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Not sure about Edwards, his contract is a good deal...Williams could go either way but they won't lose much. I now agree with Nas, and they should have gotten the WR last year.

I absolutely agree they should have Blalock, Dahl, or Clabo. Maybe they figured they have enough people on the right side. :P I want to know why Carimi has been moved.

A week or so ago I logged on a little buzzed and said pretty much what you did. They laughed at me and called me a girl. We are either the greatest minds on this board or emotional women.

I agree with the treatment of Kruetz but I think he was probably a bit of a jerkoff himself.


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 Post subject: Re: Angelo
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I am flying a little blindly here but Roy Williams signed for 2.5 million and one year while Braylon Edwards signed for 3.5. I think the difference in talent and production is significantly better than 1 million and I would have had Roy well down the list with the likes of Plaxico and Moss.

The Falcons had two guards and a tackle as FA. All would have been an upgrade and the Falcons weren't going to be able to sign all three. The Bears could have picked off one of those guards and immediately started him.

You don't do what you did to Kreutz. If you don't want him, that is a defensible business decision. You don't treat a loyal employee, who you should be soon looking to incorporate into your community liason department, like a jerkoff.

From what I could see, they were pitiful in there UDFA signings.




you make it sound as if the bears insulted kreutz...the bears offered that over hyped d bag more money than any other team in the nfl was going to give him, he fucked up and turned it down..i am glad he is gone

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 Post subject: Re: Angelo
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I am flying a little blindly here but Roy Williams signed for 2.5 million and one year while Braylon Edwards signed for 3.5. I think the difference in talent and production is significantly better than 1 million and I would have had Roy well down the list with the likes of Plaxico and Moss.

The Falcons had two guards and a tackle as FA. All would have been an upgrade and the Falcons weren't going to be able to sign all three. The Bears could have picked off one of those guards and immediately started him.

You don't do what you did to Kreutz. If you don't want him, that is a defensible business decision. You don't treat a loyal employee, who you should be soon looking to incorporate into your community liason department, like a jerkoff.

From what I could see, they were pitiful in there UDFA signings.


Roy was signed based on his past experience in the offense. It would take a new receiver a little longer to pick it up and because of the lockout they don't have the time. I actually trust Roy Williams more than I do the more talented Edwards.

I'm starting to come around to the idea that the Bears offensive line will be fine. I like Webb and Williams of the left side and Lousi and Carimi on the right. I can live with Garza playing center too.

Completely agree with your take on Kruetz.

Bringing in Barber really helps the running game. The Bears still need help in the secondary and a line backer. They have a lot of coin and didn't make any splashes so far this year. They will probably use that money to take care of some of their guys. Front load some deals.

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You don't do what you did to Kreutz. If you don't want him, that is a defensible business decision. You don't treat a loyal employee, who you should be soon looking to incorporate into your community liason department, like a jerkoff.
I agree, especially over $500k, and with a downgrade at the position being almost inevitable. The further I get away from it the more I think it was a mistake not to keep him for one more year. It's not that he's a building block of the future but I think he's still going to have been better than whoever is the new center.

This team needs to be in win now mode. That defense is going to get progressively worse because it's filled with old guys.

Kruetz was an idiot too but he's always been an idiot. Make the choice that's best for this year. That was keeping Kruetz.

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 Post subject: Re: Angelo
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I think letting Kruetz go is fine, but the one hour ultimatum thing was dumb.


They should have given him a take it or leave it offer. Give him a few days and then say "We tried to come to terms with Olin, but its just not in the cards, We wish him luck and thank him for all he's done and what he's meant to the organization"


Instead of

"We told that motherfucker take it or leave it and his dumb ass left it...."


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I don't think Angelo wanted him. I think the coaching staff wanted him and Angelo's 1 hour ultimatum gave him the out he needed. Now the coaching staff is telling him what they think.

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 Post subject: Re: Angelo
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Give him a few days and then say "We tried to come to terms with Olin, but its just not in the cards, We wish him luck and thank him for all he's done and what he's meant to the organization"

Angelo would have more questions in there, though your cliche was perfect.

"Did we want Olin to stay with us? Of course we did. Did we try to keep him here? We did our very best. Did we have to move on at some point? Yes we did. It was a football decision and we had to move on. Do I wish Olin the best? Olin was a great player here for a long time, so I want him to be happy with whatever cards he holds for himself."

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I'm starting to come around to the idea that the Bears offensive line will be fine.

:lol: :lol:

Hope is a good thing Hov. Maybe the best of things

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Considering where they started and how low they sunk last year, I'd definitely say they were "fine" toward the end of last season.

That doesn't mean it will be good.

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I'm starting to come around to the idea that the Bears offensive line will be fine.

:lol: :lol:

Hope is a good thing Hov. Maybe the best of things


Considering they should be fairly comfortable with the offense and Tice having more time working with them I think there is a good chance they will be good. These guys are talented. Also it's not everyday you have 5 guys on an offensive line that are mobile.

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 Post subject: Re: Angelo
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I am flying a little blindly here but Roy Williams signed for 2.5 million and one year while Braylon Edwards signed for 3.5. I think the difference in talent and production is significantly better than 1 million and I would have had Roy well down the list with the likes of Plaxico and Moss.

The Falcons had two guards and a tackle as FA. All would have been an upgrade and the Falcons weren't going to be able to sign all three. The Bears could have picked off one of those guards and immediately started him.

You don't do what you did to Kreutz. If you don't want him, that is a defensible business decision. You don't treat a loyal employee, who you should be soon looking to incorporate into your community liason department, like a jerkoff.

From what I could see, they were pitiful in there UDFA signings.




you make it sound as if the bears insulted kreutz...the bears offered that over hyped d bag more money than any other team in the nfl was going to give him, he fucked up and turned it down..i am glad he is gone


"Accept this contract within 1 hour or it is rescinded" is insulting. At that point Kreutz was in a Bears or retire mindset. A deal would have been worked out.

I'm not saying it was a bad decision to let him go. It is a bad decision to do it that way. Angelo's reputation around the league must be for shit.

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angelo's rep is bad, for good reason..he renigged on the baltimore trade and he can't draft for shit..that said ..this season was not typical due to the lockout and quick restart..time was short to make roster changes and kreutz should toughen up and deal with it. i am glad this turd is gone and i am confident the o-line will be better than last years..this is a business and guys who take it personally need to get smart and handle it like a professional.

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I am OK with Kreutz being gone. I thought the 1 hour ultimatum was because they had to sign Spencer if Kreutz didnt take it. Now Garza is starting at C... If the replacement was already on the team, why the rush?

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I am OK with Kreutz being gone. I thought the 1 hour ultimatum was because they had to sign Spencer if Kreutz didnt take it. Now Garza is starting at C... If the replacement was already on the team, why the rush?

But I think Olin's leadership in the locker room will be missed and how he would try to help the bums on the line (Chris Williams,Jamarcus Webb) get into there position before it would be a delay of game penalty.

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