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I knew I'd love Klosterman and Simmons going in. I'm really glad they got Barnwell to do the NFL. My favorite surprise has been Carles from Hipster Runoff

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I have no clue what your first post is talking about.


First footnote in his Planet of the Apes piece.

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I knew I'd love Klosterman and Simmons going in. I'm really glad they got Barnwell to do the NFL. My favorite surprise has been Carles from Hipster Runoff


Barnwell's been solid, though that may be a function of me spending the summer starved for NFL news. Klosterman's been uneven, like he always is. I've never been a big Simmons guy, but even with that said his contributions have been a real disappointment for me. Getting his own website seems to have given free rein to his most self-indulgent impulses.

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Barnwell's writing is often stronger than his analysis. I go back and forth on him. I agree about the Lambert pieces being awful thus far. The mailbag-type pieces feel very out of place for a website that designed to be for Important Sports Writing; Simmons should probably send those over to ESPN.

All that being said, if I'm forced to choose between Grantland and Deadspin in the upcoming sports website wars, my loyalties are entirely undivided. Deadspin is a trainwreck nowadays. Daulerio is utterly without talent and wouldn't be even in this conversation if he wasn't BFFs with Will Leitch (also, see this: http://mgoblog.com/content/aj-daulerio-asshole).

Frankly, I'd rather not declare allegiance at all, or rather, note that there's at least one other way. A bunch of sites seem to be doing a good job of melding top-notch writing with humor, all while focusing on one area and cutting out the Razzie analysis and rumors about middle-management drug use. In the world of college football, edsbs.com is one; the aforelinked mgoblog is another (at least when Brian Cook is writing).

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I agree that Deadspin has gone downhill for the last few years (the TMZification of the site sucks)and I don't see Grantland and Deadspin in direct competition, except in one area that Deadspin wins: the FUNBAG! is more consistent and more amusing than the sportsguy's mailbag. Drew Magary is the best part of deadspin right now.

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Grantland is like if the internet went to private school.

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As a HUGE fan of Simmons from like 03-06 and then not so much and then gone away enough where I can read him again...

Mailbag looks the same. A couple really funny lines. A couple analogies taken waaaaay too far and a couple mild chuckles.


I didnt follow the launch and mission statement of this site but how is G-Land supposed to be diffrent than the Sports Guy page at ESPN.COM?


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Not sure what their mission statement is. It differs from the SG site mainly in that there is more content, better writers, more interesting and eclectic take on things. Overall all the writers there seem to share Simmons sense and style of writing for the most part, for better or worse.

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FavreFan wrote:
Not sure what their mission statement is. It differs from the SG site mainly in that there is more content, better writers, more interesting and eclectic take on things. Overall all the writers there seem to share Simmons sense and style of writing for the most part, for better or worse.

This is what im referencing, I should have just quoted it originally

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The mailbag-type pieces feel very out of place for a website that designed to be for Important Sports Writing; Simmons should probably send those over to ESPN.

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I was a much bigger fan of Simmons when he seemed to care about writing his column. Once he started doing podcasts, PTI, and other stuff he seemed to mail it in too often on the articles. There were still some gems but mostly it was mailbag, NBA column that was 20% interesting and 80% too long, NFL picks, and somehow comparing The Wire and the World Cup.

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Not sure what their mission statement is.


"Page 2, but with footnotes and swearing."

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Not sure what their mission statement is.


"Page 2, but with footnotes and swearing."

I disagree. I've already seen some much better pieces on there than I did the past decade on Page 2. I agree that 98% of the time the swearing seems forced and way too often a crutch to emphasize a point.

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It wants to be something more than Page 2, and I think it is. It wants to be an internet clearinghouse for thought pieces on sports, plus with enough "I remember that!" stuff to keep page hits up.

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It wants to be something more than Page 2, and I think it is. It wants to be an internet clearinghouse for thought pieces on sports, plus with enough "I remember that!" stuff to keep page hits up.

I count two so far in the latter category, and I would hope they are not satisfied with their progress on the second goal you mentioned. They are roughly where I thought they'd be at right now, and I'm curious to see if they settle into a comfortable routine of mediocrity or if they continue to evolve and seperate themselves from a plethora of similar sites. If this is the finished product they still intend to be putting out next summer and going forward I will be disappointed.

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Does this mean he is no longer part of the Mickey Mouse Club?

This is good news because now he isn't under the ESPN contract where he wasnt aloud to go on the Adam Carolla Podcast (which is a very entertaining podcast by the way)

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sjboyd0137 wrote:
Does this mean he is no longer part of the Mickey Mouse Club?

This is good news because now he isn't under the ESPN contract where he wasnt aloud to go on the Adam Carolla Podcast (which is a very entertaining podcast by the way)

I'm pretty sure ESPN is funding the whole thing. Mightve heard wrong though.

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Yes, this is an ESPN project. But Simmons supposedly has enough pull that it is about as independent as an ESPN project can be.

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I'm officially a fan of Carles from the site. I could do without the over the top hipster language but his recent article on music and the industry these days is terrific

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Simmons was on PTI at least a few times this week so must be connected with ESPN.
Check out his porn stache.....

http://deadspin.com/5828885/yup-this-is ... s-mustache

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Simmons was on PTI at least a few times this week so must be connected with ESPN.
Check out his porn stache.....

http://deadspin.com/5828885/yup-this-is ... s-mustache

:lol: In 10-15 years he'll look exactly like his old man

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I have nothing against female writers (or voters, or even drivers), but why does Simmons go out of his way to hire females who write like they are auditioning for Tiger Beat?

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/3042/dispatches-from-a-day-at-the-races

First off, anyone who goes to Saratoga for a burger is a straight up douche. There's a ton of great food at the track, not least of which the chicken sandwich from Hattie's, and several other restaurants from the area have setups at the track with reasonable duplications of their food.

Second, how do you spend 800 words saying absolutely nothing about something? I mean, try to do that sometime. It's almost impossible, even if you are trying to annoy the piss out of people.

Third, a jockey takes you on a tour around Saratoga, and all you get out of it is that he says some horses don't run well in mud?

Fourth, IMU has never written more condescending sentences than this:
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I take in the last race of the day surrounded by race-goers who paid $3 to spend the day at the track. There was a thrill to being in the mix of a crowd like that.

I'm happy the hoi polloi bring you such happiness.

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Decent piece about Don DeLillo and his novel Underworld on the site this week. It's not quite an article but a collection of emails exchanged between the writer and DeLillo about the genesis of the story. The novel at a very basic level is about the famous "Shot Heard 'Round the World" by Bobby Thomson and the fictional path the baseball takes over the years from being caught in the stands to winding up in the possession of the novel's protagonist.

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http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood ... f-recently

"See, the thing about Shia LeBeouf is, he's awful. But on the other hand, that's what makes him so awesome."

Good to know there's a website I can visit whenever I feel like tasting my own bile.

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This is because fantasy owners do not look at Chris Johnson's career as a reflection of Chris Johnson's life. They see Chris Johnson's career as a reflection of themselves.

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For anyone who still doubts that Grantland is just the absolute worst, I submit to you a podcast in which Chuck Klosterman interviews Jeff fucking Probst.

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For anyone who still doubts that Grantland is just the absolute worst, I submit to you a podcast in which Chuck Klosterman interviews Jeff fucking Probst.

Bill Barnwell and Zach Lowe are useful reads on Grantland. I still enjoy Bill Simmons columns. I dont really pay attention to anything else on the website. I dont know who Jeff Probst is.

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No surprise that Grantland came about shortly after "30 for 30" took off. Guessing ESPN doens't mind
paying Simmons' friends to write for a smaller audience than they'd have on ESPN.com itself b/c
ESPN's making bank on '30 for 30'--thanks to Simmons.

There's no way Grantland's ads cover the costs of the writers/site. Andrew Sullivan's trying a subscription model, and
that's a possibility that Grantland could move to--once they've built up a sufficient/loyal audience. It's what Roger Ebert
turned to when he couldn't make much on his site via banner ads alone:

http://www.rogerebert.com/rogers-journa ... -will-work

Ebert has a good point about micropayments--people will easily spend 99 cents on a song on itunes or a new app from the Android market, but will click off in disgust when asked to pay for written content on the web.


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In I Wear the Black Hat, Klosterman questions the modern understanding of villainy. What was so Machiavellian about Machiavelli? Why don’t we see Bernhard Goetz the same way we see Batman? Who is more worthy of our vitriol—Bill Clinton or Don Henley? What was O. J. Simpson’s second-worst decision? And why is Klosterman still haunted by some kid he knew for one week in 1985?


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