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Bears ignored new kickoff rule, twice
Posted by Mike Florio on August 13, 2011, 10:52 PM EDT

One of the most controversial new rules of the 2011 season relates to the placement of the kickoff. With the NFL realizing that the kick-return play is one of the most dangerous in the game, the league has essentially tried to take bullets out of the gun, moving the kickoff point up five yards in order to engineer more touchbacks — and thus fewer returns.

The Bears opposed the move, and on Saturday night they ignored it. Twice.


According to Mike Pereira of FOX Sports, the Bears lined up their first and second kickoffs from Robbie Gould at the 30, not the 35. Per Pereira, NFL V.P. of officiating Carl Johnson (Pereira’s successor) called Soldier Field and “put a stop to it.”

He shouldn’t have had to. The officials running the game should have known where to line up the ball. Even if, as Pereira explains it, the Bears wanted to be able to practice kick coverage against the Bills and weren’t simply rebelling against the rule, the Bears should have been required to line up at the 35 when kicking the ball off.

After two kicks from the 30, they were.

Of course, if they really wanted to kick off from the 30 that badly, all they had to do was commit a five-yard penalty.

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Announcers said teams have the option to move the ball back 5 yards? I thought that sounded wrong.

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Announcers said teams have the option to move the ball back 5 yards? I thought that sounded wrong.


Dont believe anything that Erik Kramer says. I believe the referees told Lovie that he had to kickoff from the 35 yard line, after kicking from the 30 twice.

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Next week Lovie will start runnin all endzone kickoffs out to continue his protest

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Didn't this cost the Bears a fumble recovery by Steltz because Sam Herd lined up 5 yards behind the kicker?

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That's a separate rule.


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I wonder if Wootton will sue the Bears or the league for his injury (not that he has a leg to stand on IMO).

The new kickoff rules are ridiculous, but this was typical Bears arrogance...if they were so intent on practicing kick coverage, why not have Gould take a bit off of his kickoffs, or kick them higher, so they wouldn't be touchbacks? (Or, as mentioned, commit a 5-yard penalty. Or would that be considered unsportsmanlike?)

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I saw that Saturday night and the NFL office called the Bears not to kickoff from the 30 yard line again. Too bad referee Jeff Triplette's crew was asleep at the wheel... :oops:


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a little confusing. I know new rule states kickoff from 35 & players line up 5 yards back (not 10). Bears opposed the rule change. Now what is confusing is what the announcers said (teams have a choice) and what the Bears did & are trying to "say" by purposely kicking off from the 30. With the one penalty by Hurd, they ended up kicking off from the 25 (initial kick at 30...5 yard penalty). So did the refs not know what was going on? Is this a way of protesting from the Bears? If it is....the Bears now should simply get an automatic penalty by lining players up beyond the 5 yard limitation...get the 5 yard penalty and kickoff from the 30 anyway. They could do this for the next pre-season game if they really wanted to make a big point out of it. I'm not sure it would prove anything...but if it makes the Bears feel good about themselves...then so be it.

For the record....I don't like the rule change either. I'll be interested to see how many more touchbacks there this season compared to last.

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walkrman5 wrote:
a little confusing. I know new rule states kickoff from 35 & players line up 5 yards back (not 10). Bears opposed the rule change. Now what is confusing is what the announcers said (teams have a choice) and what the Bears did & are trying to "say" by purposely kicking off from the 30. With the one penalty by Hurd, they ended up kicking off from the 25 (initial kick at 30...5 yard penalty). So did the refs not know what was going on? Is this a way of protesting from the Bears? If it is....the Bears now should simply get an automatic penalty by lining players up beyond the 5 yard limitation...get the 5 yard penalty and kickoff from the 30 anyway. They could do this for the next pre-season game if they really wanted to make a big point out of it. I'm not sure it would prove anything...but if it makes the Bears feel good about themselves...then so be it.

For the record....I don't like the rule change either. I'll be interested to see how many more touchbacks there this season compared to last.

The Bears want to force takeaways on special teams. Moving the kickoff up and increasing the chance of a touchback is going to hurt those chances. If they can take a penalty and move the ball to where they want to take off, then what's the big deal?

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I think Lovie should ignore you need to get 10 yards for a 1st down :)

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Bears say they had advance league approval.

From http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/fo ... 5807.story

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Bears' Toub defends decision to kick off from 30-yard line

By Brad Biggs

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1:41 PM CDT, August 15, 2011


BOURBONNAIS -- The Chicago Bears had approval in advance from the NFL office during the offseason to kick off from the 30-yard line in preseason before they discovered Saturday night that the league didn’t want them deviating from the new rule.

In a somewhat controversial move, the competition committee pushed through a new rule for this season that moves kickoffs from the 30- to the 35-yard line in an effort to reduce the number of injuries that occur on those plays.

Robbie Gould used the 30-yard line as his starting point for the first two kickoffs Saturday at Soldier Field in the 10-3 victory over the Buffalo Bills. After that, the NFL office communicated with officials at the stadium and informed the team that such a move was a no-no.

Before the game, the referee and officiating crew told the Bears it was OK, and the team also informed Bills coach Chan Gailey, who had no issue with it.

“We talked to the NFL beforehand during the offseason and they said it was going to be OK. So that’s why we did it,” Toub explained Monday at training camp.

“I guess it came down from New York. They got word that we can’t kick from the 30 and then we just went back to the 35 after that. We thought we could do it. We thought we were clear with it. We told the officials ahead of time that is what we were going to do. They were fine with it. That’s why we kicked from the 30. We were just trying to evaluate our kickoff team. You don’t get any evaluation when you kick touchbacks. That’s what preseason is for -- it’s about evaluation and finding who can cover kicks. That’s all we were trying to do.”

The new rule is vague in that it doesn’t specify the ball has to be kicked off from the 35. A five-yard penalty, of course, would move a club back to the 30.

Other than the unwanted attention over the rule, Toub was pleased with the way his unit performed. Johnny Knox had a 70-yard kickoff return and coverage units were solid. He was also pleased with the effort of Kahlil Bell, who made a mark at running back as well.

“We consider him a four-phase starter,” Toub said. “The third running back has to be that.”

That right there could be why Bell gets a leg up on Chester Taylor for a roster spot.


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