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Miami-bound, Frank. The Miami Marlins want to make quite a splash, not only with a new ballpark opening up next spring, but I think Ozzie wants to manage NL-style baseball.

Did they officially change to Miami? Sounds better and rolls off the tongue easier.

Eaglo, that will be their name when they move into their new ballpark. Confirmed.


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Gretzsky can coach his son up pretty good I'd bet.
If only you could cherry pick in baseball.

I love the fact that in a Cubs manager thread we can get a sideswipe at the Great One

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Miami-bound, Frank. The Miami Marlins want to make quite a splash, not only with a new ballpark opening up next spring, but I think Ozzie wants to manage NL-style baseball.

Did they officially change to Miami? Sounds better and rolls off the tongue easier.

Eaglo, that will be their name when they move into their new ballpark. Confirmed.

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Any idea what Jeff Torborg's up to these days?


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Phil McCracken wrote:
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Gretzsky can coach his son up pretty good I'd bet.
If only you could cherry pick in baseball.

I love the fact that in a Cubs manager thread we can get a sideswipe at the Great One

Did they draft McSorely's kid to charge the mound when he gets hit?


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Any idea what Jeff Torborg's up to these days?




mets front office i believe

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Any idea what Jeff Torborg's up to these days?

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mets front office i believe

I only asked because I haven't heard that name since 2003 when he was replaced by Jack McKeon the first time in Miami...We all remember what happened to that Marlins' team.


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I love the fact that in a Cubs manager thread we can get a sideswipe at the Great One

Did they draft McSorely's kid to charge the mound when he gets hit?

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Jaramillo has done nothing to warrant not being kept by the new manager. He is an excellent hitting coach.

I am not even really arguing with you but how do you know this to be true? I don't think what a hitting coach brings to the table is easy to measure.

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Jaramillo has done nothing to warrant not being kept by the new manager. He is an excellent hitting coach.

I am not even really arguing with you but how do you know this to be true? I don't think what a hitting coach brings to the table is easy to measure.

I'm going to use some Obama economic logic here; just think how bad the Cubs would have been offensively if they hadn't hired Rudy.

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Jaramillo has done nothing to warrant not being kept by the new manager. He is an excellent hitting coach.

I am not even really arguing with you but how do you know this to be true? I don't think what a hitting coach brings to the table is easy to measure.


Castro has had some minor sophomore slumps but never seems to be in them for long. All of the young guys have been contributing fairly well. Colvin is the only one having an off season, and I'm sure his lack of consistent playing time is partly the cause. The Cubs hitting has been pretty decent since Jaramillo has been here, just not always when RISP. Jaramillo has a good reputation for a reason...let's not replace him with "some guy" from somewhere in the minors.

But he is the highest paid hitting coach in the majors I would rather get rid of his salary if it is redistributed to signing a player or repairing the scouting department

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And then Castro hits .265/.302/.399 for the remainder of his career. :(

Jaramillo's contract should in no way prevent a major market team like the Chicago Cubs from signing a player. Percentage wise it is pennies. If that is even considered it is an embarrassment to our favorite organization.

I'm not the one crying poor. Thats Tom's job. Obviously he does not have the resources the Trib did. It's a brave new world in Cubland.

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Experienced didnt work. First time manager didnt work. Just pull a name out of a hat...

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Experienced didnt work. First time manager didnt work. Just pull a name out of a hat...

Experienced worked...Lou cared for the first couple years. Then he was tired of the BS effort the Cubs gave him 2 playoff series in a row and stopped trying.

What?


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Experienced didnt work. First time manager didnt work. Just pull a name out of a hat...

Experienced worked...Lou cared for the first couple years. Then he was tired of the BS effort the Cubs gave him 2 playoff series in a row and stopped trying.


Yeah his great decision to save Zambrano for game 5 of a series in which they were swept was pure genius. Most managers want to sweep the other team, not Lou. He wants to set himself up for a do or die game on the road, assuming that his team loses twice.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
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Experienced didnt work. First time manager didnt work. Just pull a name out of a hat...

Experienced worked...Lou cared for the first couple years. Then he was tired of the BS effort the Cubs gave him 2 playoff series in a row and stopped trying.


Yeah his great decision to save Zambrano for game 5 of a series in which they were swept was pure genius. Most managers want to sweep the other team, not Lou. He wants to set himself up for a do or die game on the road, assuming that his team loses twice.

He made up for it by NOT starting Zambrano in Game one the next year so that Dempster could show off his vagina.


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Experienced worked...Lou cared for the first couple years. Then he was tired of the BS effort the Cubs gave him 2 playoff series in a row and stopped trying.

What?

If your primary language is English, re-read it. If your primary language is Spanish, I can give you a rough translation. If your primary language is anything else, you're on your own.

Ok, well since you're clearly not smart enough to realize what I meant, Ill break it down for you.


Why did you make such an idiotic statement about effort being the problem with the Cubs playoff performances?

Is this another bit? Cause if it leads to you running away like a little girl again...Im IN!


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IMU, it has nothing to do with Zambrano specifically. He pulled the team's "ace" in order to preserve him to start game 5. Why not leave him in and hope you win games 1, 2 and 3 and sweep the D-Backs. Why are you planning on game 5, you should be trying to win every game in the playoffs and to hell with games that may or may not be played.

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The problem was not effort.

The Diamondbacks were a better team at that point in 07 and they completely crumbled against the Dodgers (including Dempster being a giant pussy by walking everyone he didnt wanna pitch to) and several errors made in a terrible inning in game 2.

None of that was effort.


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Ok, well since you're clearly not smart enough to realize what I meant, Ill break it down for you.

Why did you make such an idiotic statement about effort being the problem with the Cubs playoff performances?

Is this another bit? Cause if it leads to you running away like a little girl again...Im IN!

Suck a dick. You act surprised when I give your posts attitude. Reference all your posts that have to do with me to find out why. .

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IMU, it has nothing to do with Zambrano specifically. He pulled the team's "ace" in order to preserve him to start game 5. Why not leave him in and hope you win games 1, 2 and 3 and sweep the D-Backs. Why are you planning on game 5, you should be trying to win every game in the playoffs and to hell with games that may or may not be played.

Paying him tons of money doesn't make him an ace, nor should it trick Cubs fans into thinking he is an ace. He is not the ace, and did not deserve to be treated like an ace. Aces get moved up to make important playoff starts. Zambranos don't.

Was this guy the ace?

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Just so everyone is sure. IMU's thoughts reflect who he actually is in this thread.
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In actuality, I would be pleased as punch if Johnnycakes finally descended from on high. Who the hell else are you going to find that has as much familiarity with this team that's worth a shit as a manager?

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IMU- You are hung up on the fact that it was Zambrano. Lou said that he took him out to save him for game 5. Why do that, if Lou thought he was good enough to start a must win game 5 he should have kept him in the game to win game 1. I agree that Z is not an "ace" but that isnt the issue, the issue is that Lou was planning for a game 5 when he should have been planning on winnning game 1 and going from there.

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I never understood the Lily hate in Chicago. He was pretty good pitcher for them for quite a while. And his contracts were always pretty good too.

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