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The obvious question of Rick Hahn going to the Cubs is on the table. Hahn might not want to be public about it, but this is Hahns dream job.

However, would Jerry bump Hahn to GM? Maybe make Kenny bullshit President? Just to keep him? Its how he does things...and I see thise taking place.

This goes a step further as Jerry wants to pass this team on to Mike or Jon (2 of his sons..not sure they want it) and he would like to do so with people in place and Hahn is younger than Mike Reinsdorf, same age as Jon, thus a guy who was the GM for 5-10 years and works with them unofficially makes the formal transition seemless. He did this with the Bulls. Mike R. has been there for 5 years, doing everything he was doing before he was named President.

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i do not want rick hahn as the new cubs gm..cashman is a much better choice or pat gillick guys who have a proven track record

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I don't have an issue with Rick Hahn being a candidate, but I find it humorous that Chicago media has elevated him to a favorite for the job, and it's simply because they know who he is.

I have no idea if he is the top choice for the Cubs job or if there are similar candidates in other organizations - my guess is that there are, but the media is too lazy to research other teams for a guy who is as good or better than Hahn.

Again, I'm not suggesting Hahn isn't the best candidate. I expect that the Cubs will go beyond the White Sox for their next GM, but can somebody explain why Hahn is a front-runner?


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yeah the same media clowns who have said hendry is coming back all summer

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Why is Hahn a rockstar candidate? He's an assistant to a guy that everyone seems to want fired for putting together a pretty bad team over the last several years. Where's his rockstar Resume?

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i do not want rick hahn as the new cubs gm..cashman is a much better choice or pat gillick guys who have a proven track record


Cashman may be a better choice but he isnt leaving New York...I dont think Gillick is coming either unless he gets Crane Kenny's job...If the Cubs hired Gillick...Hendry would still be here.


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i do not want rick hahn as the new cubs gm..cashman is a much better choice or pat gillick guys who have a proven track record

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Why is Hahn a rockstar candidate? He's an assistant to a guy that everyone seems to want fired for putting together a pretty bad team over the last several years. Where's his rockstar Resume?

Well he does have that MBA from Kellogg that seems to be the main requirement for the gig according to some. :roll:

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Well he does have that MBA from Kellogg that seems to be the main requirement for the gig according to some. :roll:


Yea, that was a headscratcher.


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Why is Hahn a rockstar candidate? He's an assistant to a guy that everyone seems to want fired for putting together a pretty bad team over the last several years. Where's his rockstar Resume?


I don't think he has rockstar status, but he is a really good asst GM, so everyone looks at it as the next step. He was the voice of reason on Dunn and Rios, that I know for a fact. Specifically on Rios. He is a SABRE guy.

I would love to see Hahn as the GM in name if a real team president is brought as I do think Hahn lacks the deal making side of a GM. The guy who actually makes and takes phone calls 24 hours a day.

For all the joke I think Kenny Williams is, his developed skill is being on the phone flushing out deals. Some good some really bad, but if anyone is in sales, you need the bird dog guy, the guy who makes the cold calls to see if "X" can be traded for? This has nothing to do with SABRE stuff.

I feel Hahn has 2 of 3 elements needed for the Cub GM job and can develop the 3rd of dealmaking.

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312player wrote:
i do not want rick hahn as the new cubs gm..cashman is a much better choice or pat gillick guys who have a proven track record


Cashman may be a better choice but he isnt leaving New York...I dont think Gillick is coming either unless he gets Crane Kenny's job...If the Cubs hired Gillick...Hendry would still be here.





you are probably right..but aim high, this is an elite job actually , in a major market and it is no secret that cashman and the steinbrenners have had some disagreements and even have told him to make a deal or two that he did not agree with. cashman or gillick or any gm who takes this team to a world series and wins or loses will go down as a huge success.. seems to me tom rickets is not a real smart man or very decisive, would not be surprised at all to see crane kenny removed from anything baseball related in the future.

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Would be content with Cashman. Number 1 thing as a good GM is being "In the loop" and it is where I think Hahn is lacking the most.

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Why is Hahn a rockstar candidate? He's an assistant to a guy that everyone seems to want fired for putting together a pretty bad team over the last several years. Where's his rockstar Resume?


I don't think he has rockstar status, but he is a really good asst GM, so everyone looks at it as the next step. He was the voice of reason on Dunn and Rios, that I know for a fact. Specifically on Rios. He is a SABRE guy.

I would love to see Hahn as the GM in name if a real team president is brought as I do think Hahn lacks the deal making side of a GM. The guy who actually makes and takes phone calls 24 hours a day.

For all the joke I think Kenny Williams is, his developed skill is being on the phone flushing out deals. Some good some really bad, but if anyone is in sales, you need the bird dog guy, the guy who makes the cold calls to see if "X" can be traded for? This has nothing to do with SABRE stuff.

I feel Hahn has 2 of 3 elements needed for the Cub GM job and can develop the 3rd of dealmaking.


He's not really even a sabrematrician. Hahn's main responsibilities were to cover the areas where KW is weak, namely anything that has to do with the business end of being a GM.

If you remember, KW was woefully unprepared for the job when JR hired him. JR had to hire Roland Hemond and some other guy to act as caddies for KW because he simply did not have the necessary skills. Hahn continued in that tradition.

In my opinion, Hahn would be a person who replaces Crane Kenney not Jim Hendry.

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Why is Hahn a rockstar candidate? He's an assistant to a guy that everyone seems to want fired for putting together a pretty bad team over the last several years. Where's his rockstar Resume?


I don't think he has rockstar status, but he is a really good asst GM, so everyone looks at it as the next step. He was the voice of reason on Dunn and Rios, that I know for a fact. Specifically on Rios. He is a SABRE guy.

I would love to see Hahn as the GM in name if a real team president is brought as I do think Hahn lacks the deal making side of a GM. The guy who actually makes and takes phone calls 24 hours a day.

For all the joke I think Kenny Williams is, his developed skill is being on the phone flushing out deals. Some good some really bad, but if anyone is in sales, you need the bird dog guy, the guy who makes the cold calls to see if "X" can be traded for? This has nothing to do with SABRE stuff.

I feel Hahn has 2 of 3 elements needed for the Cub GM job and can develop the 3rd of dealmaking.


He's not really even a sabrematrician. Hahn's main responsibilities were to cover the areas where KW is weak, namely anything that has to do with the business end of being a GM.

If you remember, KW was woefully unprepared for the job when JR hired him. JR had to hire Roland Hemond and some other guy to act as caddies for KW because he simply did not have the necessary skills. Hahn continued in that tradition.

In my opinion, Hahn would be a person who replaces Crane Kenney not Jim Hendry.


I agree he is not all SABRE, but is a contract guy. He is the bridge between Howard Pizer (Money) and Kenny (Baseball).

Did you dare say Kenny was woefully unprepared????? Just because Jerry had a team and still has a team working as the real GM? Which has been my point for years. Kenny is the guy who makes the cold calls and gets the meetings.

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Bring in Hawk as announcer/GM.

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[I agree he is not all SABRE, but is a contract guy. He is the bridge between Howard Pizer (Money) and Kenny (Baseball).

Did you dare say Kenny was woefully unprepared????? Just because Jerry had a team and still has a team working as the real GM? Which has been my point for years. Kenny is the guy who makes the cold calls and gets the meetings.


I hold fast to the idea that KW was a bit of social engineering on JRs part, especially since he was the chair of the mlb committee on diversity at the time. KW was unprepared for the position. That part cannot be debated. They had to hire people just to get him up to speed with the basics...and he was still very bad the first couple of years. There are still huge holes in KW abilities as an executive. KW loves to throw out his Stanford credentials but just about every deep thinking part of being a GM is performed by an assistant. I like his aggressive approach to acquiring players and overall, I like him as the Sox GM.

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KW loves to throw out his Stanford credentials...


Was he even at Stanford for more than a year?

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KW loves to throw out his Stanford credentials...


Was he even at Stanford for more than a year?


I think he played at Stanford for 1 year, but did Graduate while working in the Sox system.

Before Kenny became this aloof pud I believe I heard him telling a story about him not being in on "THE PLAY" in the Cal Stanford game, because he could not find his helmet? or it was broken? so they sent someone else in.

Ironically, once was told how awesome Kenny was in High School by Danny Evans. Kenny was a bigger prospect that Barry Bonds coming out of HS.

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As ideal a candidate as Rick Hahn might be for the Cubs' General Manager vacancy, why do I have this feeling Tom Ricketts won't give Hahn the time of day? I think the Cubs' Chairman specifically wanted a guy WITH PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE generally managing a ballclub. That being said, I think Hahn gets passed over.


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I am surprised Ricketts is not looking for a baseball President. He is doing a full upgrade of the system, which is impressive, but this job is too big for just a GM. Thus I like Hahn, with a baseball President.

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Who the fuck is Rick Hahn? What makes him any better than current Cub GM who was the assistant? Classic case of guys in the media who are buddies with a guy trying to get him a job. What about Ned Colletti who would kill for this job? It WAS his Dodger team that kicked the favored Cubs ass in the playoffs a few yearsago.

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I want someone who is going to tell Ricketts that Kenney, Fleita and Wilkins are not going to be part of the future if they take over. Hopefully, some guy won't tell him what he wants to hear just to get the job. I'm not sold on Wilkins or Fleita just yet and if a Friedman comes, I'd rather he bring a crew with him.


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I do not want Hahn. Tom Ricketts has stated that the priority for the next GM will be drafting and developing young players. The Sox under Williams and Hahn have not done these things very well at all. Other than some pitching (some of the best were traded away) they have not fared well in these areas. I would rather they get Andrew Friedman.

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The last thing this Cubs team needs is another guy who needs on the job training like Rich Hahn. This job is bigger than some guy who is an assistant GM. The Cubs need a guy who has built a successful baseball organization before.
I have zero confidence in Tom Ricketts to find & hire the right guy for the GM job. I hope he gets lucky & proves me wrong.

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Gordon Wittenmyer writes that Dan Evans would be a perfect fit for the Cubs GM job. It looks like BigFan has three chances to get an ex White Sox assistant that he oh so longs for to be the new GM of the Cubs.


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Did you know Hahn is the most well paid assistant GM in the MLB? I bet you didn't.

Personally I would love to bump up Hahn to GM, Kenny upstairs. Move a few players, keeping Danks a number one priority. Keep Ozzie and the rest of the staff (Walker can go, but it won't matter, plus Paulie loves Walker). The Sox can still be good next year, I think this was a fluke for Dunn and he will be fine next year. After 12 the situation gets iffy.

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The obvious question of Rick Hahn going to the Cubs is on the table. Hahn might not want to be public about it, but this is Hahns dream job.

However, would Jerry bump Hahn to GM? Maybe make Kenny bullshit President? Just to keep him? Its how he does things...and I see thise taking place.

This goes a step further as Jerry wants to pass this team on to Mike or Jon (2 of his sons..not sure they want it) and he would like to do so with people in place and Hahn is younger than Mike Reinsdorf, same age as Jon, thus a guy who was the GM for 5-10 years and works with them unofficially makes the formal transition seemless. He did this with the Bulls. Mike R. has been there for 5 years, doing everything he was doing before he was named President.


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