Post #2 - Who ya' crappin'....

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So what?

Thank you Rick for answering.

Thank you for nothing Dr Kenneth NorthernillinioisdiscussionisbeneathmeWater

This was all summed up repeatedly last year by the "Big Ten Posse": No matter how much teams change, grow, succeed or fail throughout a season, the team that wins each individual game is always the better team for the rest of eternity, until they play each other again. Dr. Ken is just reinforcing that thought in this post - and doing it very explicitly, actually. "NIU won 9 in a row after that.........Illinois was average at best". And yet Illinois is still the better team. Forever. Because of one game. This type of logic should be a concern for anyone currently paying the tuition bill for their child at the U of I.

"Handily" is pretty also. I must have been watching a different game.

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I've got nothing against NIU. It's a nice little program.

I'm sure after they get throttled by Kansas and Wisconsin, they'll go on an impressive run in the MAC conference and probably head to a nice mid-December bowl game, probably as a 10-2 ranked team, something like #22, going against an underachieving BCS school and complaining about how they don't get any respect.

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"Throttled" is not a strong enough word for what Wisconsin is going to do to NIU. But I fully expect NIU to beat Kansas. I'm not up on my Kansas football as much as I should be (this is a new program, right?) - but NIU looked real good in bad weather on Saturday.

In fact, NIU is going to beat KU so bad on Saturday, it will probably shake that whole BCS conference they are in down to the core. I wouldn't be surprised if they disbanded the Big 12 as a result.....

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When has someone fro NIU complained about not getting any respect?

I have the fledgling Illini going 6-6. How about you Ken?

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They should be 8-4 at worst, not counting the bowl game.

With some development of the defense, they could be 10-2.

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While justified, they did complain when they had a pretty good season and did not get invited to a bowl game. I forget what year that happened but there were other schools that weren't as good as them that were invited instead.

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It looks like 2003 is the year I was thinking of.

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Ah yes. I remember that year. NIU established itself as a better team than Alabama. Still are to this day.......

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Bowl game

Ken,

I suggest that you lay off the Vodka for a while. 10-2? Really?

2011 Illinois Football Schedule
W Sept. 3 - Arkansas State
W Sept. 10 - South Dakota State
L Sept. 17 - Arizona State
W Sept. 24 - Western Michigan
L Oct. 1 - Northwestern
W Oct. 8 - at Indiana
L Oct. 15 - Ohio State
W Oct. 22 - at Purdue
L Oct. 29 - at Penn State
Nov. 5 - OPEN
L Nov. 12 - Michigan
L Nov. 19 - Wisconsin
W Nov. 26 - at Minnesota

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8 games at home and the 4 road games are IND, Purdue, MINN, and PSU.

They will win 8 games without question. Winning 10 would, admittedly, take some improvement on the defensive end that I wouldn't count on.

But, they could win up to 2 of the following -

WISC
OSU
at PSU
MICH

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Arizona State isn't that good.

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Not true. No MAC team ranked so far this year.

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I'll bet the final regular season poll of each of the last 10 years has at least 1 MAC school with a gaudy conference record, unless there was a year of bloody MAC parity. I'm not a MAC historian.

Alex Carder is my guy though.

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I wasn't talking about week 1. I'm talking about towards the end of the season.

There is almost always a team that is ranked or close because they are 6-1. Eventually, while the other conference teams are beating each other, a MAC school looks good on record alone.

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There's usually a cluster of writers in Ohio that will throw the best MAC team a bone towards the end of the season if they have run up a solid record. They do this in the south with Troy when they go 8-0 in the Sun Belt.

I do think the MAC is a better conference this year then they've been for quite a while. They're still 10th but there's comfortable breathing room between them and the Sun Belt, and the gap between the MAC, Conference USA, and the WAC is pretty small. They might even be better than the WAC but the bottom of the league is still really, really bad.

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Easy, boys, easy. The original claim was:



That's not true. That's all I said. Being ranked in the final poll is a different thing.

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Well, you kind of took it out of context. I specifically mentioned "the leader of the conference" which indicates that the conference season has begun and is far enough along to determine.

It's pretty obvious if you look at the week by week rankings that the best team in the MAC finds a way to get ranked. Sometimes it's deserved. Sometimes it's really not(Ball State in 2008).

Before you get all mad, NIU will deserve it this year if they get ranked assuming they beat Kansas and don't lose by 40 to Wisconsin.

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A little too semantic-y. BR's point was correct.

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Actually, re-read the whole post it was originally in. It's not "semantic-y" at all. MAC schools are not "almost always ranked". He made no mention of "end of the year" or any certain time frame until after I pointed out that it wasn't true. Without even looking it up, I'm willing to bet that there were more weeks that a MAC school wasn't ranked last year vs. weeks in which 1+ MAC team was ranked. No semantics involved.

And in that same post he (at least partially) blames MAC coaches for voting for one of their own as the culprit. I believe all of those coaches get a vote all year long, not just at the end. So........that must not be true either.

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In the "worst case", are you including a victory over NU?

I made specific reference to the "leader of the conference". I apologize for not being as specific as you would like but it was implied that I meant later in the season by saying "a lot of wins" and "leader of the conference". It's hard to have lots of wins 2 or 3 games into the season.
They publish the voting records of MAC coaches and in general you'll find them as some of the primary voters and often higher than other conferences. There is nothing wrong with that but it's just true. It was a little more evident when they used to release all the ballots. Now, it's just the final one.

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Yes, Illinois will win either the Michigan or Northwestern game, more likely NU, if not both.

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The Illinois game was our QB's second game back after missing a year due to a knee injury. You want to somehow claim that we were playing well at that time, but we had just barely beaten a 1-AA team the week before.

NIU was driving the field and about to score before Harnish coughed up a fumble ending one of our drives. Then the refs called a pass interference call on 3rd (or 4th?) down before halftime that kept an Illinois drive alive (and Illinois scored on that drive). The Illinois QB threw a ball that landed 5+ yards out of bounds, but apparently at Big Ten stadiums an uncatchable ball can still be deemed pass interference.

Game was close, no matter how much you try to say otherwise. What makes it worse is that we pulverized a Fresno State team that beat Illinois.

Until last season, the last time we had played Illinois was in 2001. There were many NIU and Illinois teams between then and now that didn't play each other and NIU would have ended up on the winning end in many of those seasons had the two teams played.

I don't think Illinois will be playing us again anytime soon. They will probably just stick to the in-state 1-AA schools.

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The MAC coaches hardly vote for their own. It was pretty evident last season when NIU finished 11-3 but did not find itself ranked in the top 25 of the coaches poll, but an 11-3 UCF team that didn't beat a single team with a winning record did. MAC coaches don't seem to have much pride in their own teams.

Check out the preseason coaches poll for this year as another example...

We had four votes in the Coaches Poll and we had four votes in the AP Poll. You would think if MAC coaches were voting for their own top teams then we'd start off with a lot more votes.

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2/5 coaches that voted for you last year were MAC coaches. However, given that NIU lost to MIAMI(OH) very late in the season they likely lost a bunch of votes. That's probably not the best example.
As explained to spanky, it was clear I wasn't talking about preseason polls. MAC teams don't have the advantage having a much better record than the other teams they are competing for. When everyone is 0-0 or 1-0 it's a lot different than when a team from the SEC is 8-4 and a MAC team is 11-1.

Let me state for the record once again that I don't think there is anything wrong with it. Big Ten coaches do the same thing but it's hard to imagine that there is ever a time in which the best team in the Big Ten isn't one of the best 25 teams in the country. This is clearly not true for the MAC(see Ball State in 2008).

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I didn't realize only 2 MAC coaches voted for us last year. That's pretty sad when there are five or six coaches in our conference who vote. I bet if you look at the CUSA coaches every single one of them voted for UCF and probably voted them high.

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Damn. Marshall taking a shot out of nowhere.

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