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 Post subject: Re: Troy Davis
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I just love when someone thinks they have something to say but when it comes time to say it, let alone defend what they wrote, they can't backpedal fast enough.

This is why Spanky and I have had issues before. Spanky likes to insinuate things in an effort to incite bad feelings. You know...say things without really saying it.

Twice, the dude accused me of being Juggs. Once in 2009, and once earlier this year. Both times, he stated that people PM'ed him and suggested it. Both times I responded angrily and he gave no reply. My angry response was all he wanted anyway. In short, Spanky is a world-class shit-stirrer who is probably as much of an instigator as Kamps. The only difference is that Kamps doesn't hide from what he is.

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 Post subject: Re: Troy Davis
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Both times, he stated that people PM'ed him and suggested it.
I bet that Ugie didn't PM him.

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Some people care, some people don't. Not really sure what your point is. Should those of us that do care just stop caring so it won't annoy you so much?

I don't think that's what he's saying. He's saying that a lot of the outrage is hollow and insincere. That's probably true.

He's just pointing out that Americans worship comfort. We like to sedate ourselves with entertainment. I don't like it, but it's engrained in this society's fabric. Hell, you tell a person you don't watch TV and they'll think you're crazy. Shit, a chick laughed at me one time because I told her I spend more time reading than watching TV. That's America for you.



Eh, I guess.

If all of that hollow attention would have lead to Troy Davis getting a stay of execution, I don't think he would mind very much. Pointing out the hipocricy or selfishness of some Americans is nothing new. I just like it when there is a point to be made. Not just complaining for the sake of complaining...

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But if I mention Troy Davis in 3 months from now - how many people will remember him?

So what? It doesn't change all of the bullshit surrounding his case.


Why do you think he is innocent?


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Both times, he stated that people PM'ed him and suggested it.
I bet that Ugie didn't PM him.

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 Post subject: Re: Troy Davis
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Keep trying to deflect attention. It was obvious what you said and meant.

What attention am I deflecting? I haven't done that once. The person I asked he question to (the person who was originally in the conversation, BTW) answered it. Without name calling or profanity. It was pretty simple, really.

A person to whom the question was not directed jumped in, and couldn't so the same.......

You used the term CREW. Why did you do that? The list was Cairo's

You lumped in a bunch of people with Kid's thoughts. I certainly dont agree with everything Kid says about everything including who he considers racist. I doubt Bagels, DB, Ivan, or Ajent agree with everything he says either.

My first post politely asked you not to lump the whole group in. I made it clear that my issue was you assigning Cairo's beliefs to all of us and your reply was "I wasnt joking"


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Not 100% sure he was innocent. But there was enough doubt to not kill him.

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 Post subject: Re: Troy Davis
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Some people care, some people don't. Not really sure what your point is. Should those of us that do care just stop caring so it won't annoy you so much?

Ivan, I know as much. I am not annoyed by those that do care, probably a few of you. It is the others...and it isn't so much that they annoy me either...I find it interesting that someone can pretend to care so much...and then won't remember it shortly thereafter. I question who actually cares and who doesn't.


Why? Why do you care if someone "really cares" or not?

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 Post subject: Re: Troy Davis
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Not 100% sure he was innocent. But there was enough doubt to not kill him.


So would it be better if he sat in a jail cell rotting away for the rest of his life?

I don't understand why it seems so many are upset with the fact that he lost his life more so than the fact that an injustice may have been done regardless of whether he lost his life or whether he sat in a jail cell for the remainder of his days.

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 Post subject: Re: Troy Davis
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You seem on an endless quest to prove people, specifically American people are really dumb.

What do you seek to do with this quest?

I don't need to prove anything. I think the evidence is readily available to anyone who cares to briefly look. It isn't all, of course...but a large, vocal group of people that brings down the whole.
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Why? Why do you care if someone "really cares" or not?

Why do you care that I care if someone "really cares" or not?

Ok I guess prove is the wrong word.

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 Post subject: Re: Troy Davis
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Not 100% sure he was innocent. But there was enough doubt to not kill him.


So would it be better if he sat in a jail cell rotting away for the rest of his life?

I don't understand why it seems so many are upset with the fact that he lost his life more so than the fact that an injustice may have been done regardless of whether he lost his life or whether he sat in a jail cell for the remainder of his days.


What?

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You seem on an endless quest to prove people, specifically American people are really dumb.

What do you seek to do with this quest?

I don't need to prove anything. I think the evidence is readily available to anyone who cares to briefly look. It isn't all, of course...but a large, vocal group of people that brings down the whole.
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Why? Why do you care if someone "really cares" or not?

Why do you care that I care if someone "really cares" or not?

Besides, I've answered it already.


Ok. This is tool IMU.

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 Post subject: Re: Troy Davis
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What?

I told you to stop chanting that! :x

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 Post subject: Re: Troy Davis
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Not 100% sure he was innocent. But there was enough doubt to not kill him.


So would it be better if he sat in a jail cell rotting away for the rest of his life?

I don't understand why it seems so many are upset with the fact that he lost his life more so than the fact that an injustice may have been done regardless of whether he lost his life or whether he sat in a jail cell for the remainder of his days.


What?


If the man was not given capital punishment and was forced to sit in a jail cell the rest of his life would there be as much attention and outrage?

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I don't understand why it seems so many are upset with the fact that he lost his life more so than the fact that an injustice may have been done regardless of whether he lost his life or whether he sat in a jail cell for the remainder of his days.


There is no coming back from death. If a jury makes a mistake and the person is in prison, the person can be set free. Not sure why that really needs to be explained...

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 Post subject: Re: Troy Davis
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What?

I told you to stop chanting that! :x


Jerk. :P

I have no idea what RFDC is talking about. I never said I'd be happy if he rotted in jail, nor that I was more upset about Davis being killed than any injustice done.

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I just love when someone thinks they have something to say but when it comes time to say it, let alone defend what they wrote, they can't backpedal fast enough.

This is why Spanky and I have had issues before. Spanky likes to insinuate things in an effort to incite bad feelings. You know...say things without really saying it.

Twice, the dude accused me of being Juggs. Once in 2009, and once earlier this year. Both times, he stated that people PM'ed him and suggested it. Both times I responded angrily and he gave no reply. My angry response was all he wanted anyway. In short, Spanky is a world-class shit-stirrer who is probably as much of an instigator as Kamps. The only difference is that Kamps doesn't hide from what he is.

I havent't done that recently.

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 Post subject: Re: Troy Davis
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I don't understand why it seems so many are upset with the fact that he lost his life more so than the fact that an injustice may have been done regardless of whether he lost his life or whether he sat in a jail cell for the remainder of his days.


There is no coming back from death. If a jury makes a mistake and the person is in prison, the person can be set free. Not sure why that really needs to be explained...


No I get that, but if the man is sitting in prison there is no outrage about a possible injustice. Most of the people around the world could care less. That is not how it should be. There should be just as much outrage over an injustice regardless of whether the man loses his life or not.

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 Post subject: Re: Troy Davis
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I just love when someone thinks they have something to say but when it comes time to say it, let alone defend what they wrote, they can't backpedal fast enough.

This is why Spanky and I have had issues before. Spanky likes to insinuate things in an effort to incite bad feelings. You know...say things without really saying it.

Twice, the dude accused me of being Juggs. Once in 2009, and once earlier this year. Both times, he stated that people PM'ed him and suggested it. Both times I responded angrily and he gave no reply. My angry response was all he wanted anyway. In short, Spanky is a world-class shit-stirrer who is probably as much of an instigator as Kamps. The only difference is that Kamps doesn't hide from what he is.

You are out of your mind today. I've never "accused" you of anything. Nice terminology. I asked you direct questions today - which post did you find offensive? And that I thought it was interesting that out of the 3 posts in question, that was the one that was most offensive, considering the racial nature of the topic. How is that being a shit-stirrer with you - or with anybody? I even said multiple times that I agree with most of what you are saying and that the country is having the discussion with itself that you said you desired.

Shit didn't blow up at all untill somebody else jumped in and made it an "us vs. spanky" thing - first post wasn't a polite "asking" as he claims either - immediately said it was "bullshit". Not a polite way to enter a conversation in which you aren't involved, by most standards.

Look at this 3 post-exchange that is quoted right here - who is the biggest shit-stirrer here right now? DT makes one little post, without actually saying a name or subject matter - and you go crazy. At least try and see what the reality is here.

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I see what RFDC is saying. Hurricane was tragic too, even though he wasnt killed.


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No I get that, but if the man is sitting in prison there is no outrage about a possible injustice. Most of the people around the world could care less. That is not how it should be. There should be just as much outrage over an injustice regardless of whether the man loses his life or not.


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So would it be better if he sat in a jail cell rotting away for the rest of his life?

I don't understand why it seems so many are upset with the fact that he lost his life more so than the fact that an injustice may have been done regardless of whether he lost his life or whether he sat in a jail cell for the remainder of his days.


What?


If the man was not given capital punishment and was forced to sit in a jail cell the rest of his life would there be as much attention and outrage?


Probably not. But that's because if he had life in jail, groups could still petition to have his conviction overturned based on any new evidence. Dead is dead.

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I dunno RPB, I thought that was a fair question by Spanky.

And let me backtrack and address this snake-ass post.

Why was it such a fair question in your opinion? In my opinion, it was an unreasonable question and an obvious attempt at creating bad feelings as well as steering the thread off course.

This is why you and I clash, because it always comes back to these little "hit n' run" posts where you say it without saying it. You used to accuse me of only arguing with certain guys (which was inaccurate), then you cheered me on anytime I had a board fight with people you didn't expect me to. The fact is, I'm not biased here and I never have been.

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No I get that, but if the man is sitting in prison there is no outrage about a possible injustice. Most of the people around the world could care less. That is not how it should be. There should be just as much outrage over an injustice regardless of whether the man loses his life or not.


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So in your opinion there would be the same amount of outrage for Mr. Davis if he was in jail the rest of life?



No. You are still missing the point.

There is a greater amount of outrage because he was to be killed. When someone dies, they can't be given their life back if it is found out they are innocent later.

My Mandela picture was simply letting you know that people are indeed outraged by those who are falsely imprisoned as well. You said people don't care about that. They do. There is just more of a sense of urgency when the person may be executed...

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I just love when someone thinks they have something to say but when it comes time to say it, let alone defend what they wrote, they can't backpedal fast enough.

This is why Spanky and I have had issues before. Spanky likes to insinuate things in an effort to incite bad feelings. You know...say things without really saying it.

Twice, the dude accused me of being Juggs. Once in 2009, and once earlier this year. Both times, he stated that people PM'ed him and suggested it. Both times I responded angrily and he gave no reply. My angry response was all he wanted anyway. In short, Spanky is a world-class shit-stirrer who is probably as much of an instigator as Kamps. The only difference is that Kamps doesn't hide from what he is.

You are out of your mind today. I've never "accused" you of anything. Nice terminology. I asked you direct questions today - which post did you find offensive? And that I thought it was interesting that out of the 3 posts in question, that was the one that was most offensive, considering the racial nature of the topic. How is that being a shit-stirrer with you - or with anybody? I even said multiple times that I agree with most of what you are saying and that the country is having the discussion with itself that you said you desired.

Shit didn't blow up at all untill somebody else jumped in and made it an "us vs. spanky" thing - first post wasn't a polite "asking" as he claims either - immediately said it was "bullshit". Not a polite way to enter a conversation in which you aren't involved, by most standards.

Look at this 3 post-exchange that is quoted right here - who is the biggest shit-stirrer here right now? DT makes one little post, without actually saying a name or subject matter - and you go crazy. At least try and see what the reality is here.

You are out of your mind

I didnt make anything us vs spanky. I asked you not to include other people in the conversastion you and Cairo were having about HIS thoughts. You refused. It was polite. I said please. Im sorry if bullshit offends you would Thats not fair have been better?


Either way, the fact remains: You included 5 other people in Cairo's thoughts. That was wrong.

There is not much more to it. Most people would acknowledge the error by now but you keep wanting to fight it.


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My Mandela picture was simply letting you know that people are indeed outraged by those who are falsely imprisoned as well. You said people don't care about that. They do. There is just more of a sense of urgency when the person may be executed...


Surely you don't think Davis would have garnered the attention and support Mandela did?

I get what you are saying, and for the most part I agree. I find it extremely sad that this man lost his life while very possibly being innocent. But I also find it sad that it takes someone dying to get that type of support. I am sure there are many people right now in the same shoes as Davis across our land, but no one is giving their stories any attention because it does not involve them dying.

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I didnt make anything us vs spanky. I asked you not to include other people in the conversastion you and Cairo were having about HIS thoughts. You refused. It was polite. I said please. Im sorry if bullshit offends you would Thats not fair have been better?


Either way, the fact remains: You included 5 other people in Cairo's thoughts. That was wrong.

There is not much more to it. Most people would acknowledge the error by now but you keep wanting to fight it.

I'm not fighting anything excpet the ignorance you keep spilling. YOU have now brought the other names in, YOU have now brought out an exact number of other people. I did neither one of those. I've never mentioned you in this thread other than to respond directly to you - yet you are the one that keeps fighting this. Why is that? That is the very essence of a Panther-vibe. It's not about you this time, champ. Take a break. Go create another fight on somebody else's behalf somewhere else.

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Surely you don't think Davis would have garnered the attention and support Mandela did?


Of course not. Where did I say anything like that?

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I get what you are saying, and for the most part I agree. I find it extremely sad that this man lost his life while very possibly being innocent. But I also find it sad that it takes someone dying to get that type of support. I am sure there are many people right now in the same shoes as Davis across our land, but no one is giving their stories any attention because it does not involve them dying.


Got ya. I agree with this.

The problem is that there are so many people in prison that we couldn't possibly know the stories of all the innocent. We are at the mercy of the media and whatever they consider a "good story". That often involves death row cases...

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