Oh yeah? Well I will force you to sleep next to Mae Young and then besmirch your name by accusing you of impregnating her with an alien baby

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

JD Drew and the D batteries that were hurled his way would have to disagree with you on that point...

I will put you both in a tag match with the Midnight Express. Loser becomes a Main Event star.

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OK, one incident. did the whole stadium throw batteries at him?

I will make you watch TNA! And not the decent TNA. Sting, Hogan, Flair, Robbie E, and Bischoff TNA!

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The original Midnight Express or the New Midnight Express?

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Damn. I give. *shivers* make the bad man stop

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

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speaking of white trash...

The game had to be stopped...10 minutes...pretty pathetic.

Speeps will go for the throat when necessary.

Good night kids. Great doc. Cubs suck. My twenties were lost.

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How about the Phillies fan who intentionally puked on a nine year old girl? Steelers fan maybe?

That was misleading. They didn't show what led up to it. That little girl said Mike Schmidt wasn't as good as Ron Santo.

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Oh she deserved it then. Mouthy ass kid!!

I don't know about that, but I don't believe drinking is such an intrinsic part of the game experience there as it is in a place like Wrigley. Kind of odd for a place that I believe was the first to sell beer and was owned by a beer company for so long. I'm not judging either. I go to about 35 games a season and if I couldn't drink it would probably be more like three or four.

Anyway, St. Louis fans are quite different. If you don't believe me, just ask B&b.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I have been to games at St. Louis there seemed to me to be just as much drinking going on there as the other parks I have been too.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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This was hard to watch honestly. The 30 mins of Bill Buckner talk seemed unnecessary but it's ESPN and the director is a Sox fan. The religion and the lawyers scenes were fast forwarded and I didn't even bother with that. I found myself wanting to punch the Cuthbert guy in the face also. I remember being a meatball that night watching the game blaming Bartman but afterwards I realized about Gonzalez and Dusty not taking 10 seconds to walk to the mound to cool off Prior. Also the dude that is now a writer at ESPN that followed Bartman to his work reminded me of Sloth from Goonies.

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Well, at least Pat Looney (grey fleece) admitted that he was going for the ball and that it may have looked like he was pointing at Bartman but he was trying to tell security that he didn't touch the ball as they were about to throw him out.

That's always annoyed me and now I have closure.

Cuthbert looked like a complete sociopath when they showed him lurking in the aisle behind Bartman before he threw his beer at him. There something kinda creepy looking about Scott Turow, too.

Just heard what sounded like Teinowitz call WGN's Sports Central saying "Let's go find this **** and lynch him." If that was him, and I can't imagine someone else sounding like that, why was he calling WGN when he had his own show (MJH) at the time?

I recorded this ... will save it for a time I'm not nearly so suicidal (40 years?) .... anyway, I'll still be the guy that say while in NO WAY, SHAPE, or FORM can the Cubs' loss be blamed any percentage on this guy, that's an entirely separate part from the (I say) fact that he's a dumbass for going after the ball.

Look .... the guy had his fruity little headset on so he could do what, jazzercise? NO, so he could listen to the fucking game .... another way of saying it is that he was REALLY intent on soaking in as much information about the game happening in front of him ... good seats, good fan, good idea to bring radio into it. The jamoke isn't some drunk college fuck more interested in playing grab-ass with the girls (or boys ..... blech) and yelling "wooooo cubbies" ... I mean, the guy is intent on savoring each moment.

He's gotta know the score .... he's gotta know the situation (e.g., 5 outs to go until Cubmageddon) .... he clearly knows the game (generally and specifically) .... and what does he do? Goes for the meaningless souvenir like a dipshit.

Yes, as a matter of fact, I do most definitely think it is significantly more likely that I would have come to my senses by the time the ball was coming down from the top of the arc to at least realize letting Moises make as clean a play as possible would infinitely outweigh the importance of my getting a (shabby) piece of history. That's fine that most people don't think they would have the presence of mind; I just happen to believe I would .... so sue me.

Again, that doesn't mean that watching Moises lose his shit and Pryor have a complete mental breakdown in the minutes following, not to mention AGon going full-on retard, is anything but their collective faults.

But I'm just tired as hell of people 100% absolving this cat for not being smart enough to realize where he was, what was going on, and what he should have done. The Cubs didn't win .... it's not his fault .... but he didn't do shit to help it either.

My 6 cents. Fin.

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- Henry George

Well, you certainly have taken the position that most benefits society and your fellow man. As for myself, however, I blamed him immediately and still do today.

Don't get me wrong. I wish no harm on the man and it's probably 50/50 that I'd do the same thing. But, I go against the revisionist history that was subsequently put in place to absolve a seemingly good man from blame and the idea that this play ultimately had no impact on the game.

I think Alou makes the play, even moreso now having watched this doc. If Alou catches this ball, I have no doubt that the Cubs go to the World Series.

Now, he's not only to blame. After this play, the Cubs completely blew it. But, I don't think they are put in that position to blow it if they get the 2nd out.

All that said, I think everyone owes the dude an apology for treating him like he killed somebody. It's still, ultimately, just a baseball game.

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Doc's post makes a fine addendum to mine. What people did to that guy is reprehensible, and I hope many of them get a venereal disease from a public toilet. It did wonders for Reason.

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Power is always in the hands of the masses of men. What oppresses the masses is their own ignorance, their own short-sighted selfishness.
- Henry George

And, to go back to my 50/50 comment, that's probably generous. I, too, was counting down every out in my living room from about 12 to go.

Every ball that was hit I was thinking "is this the next out"? Stands to reason that if I'm thinking that in my living room that I'd be thinking it in the first frickin' row of the Goddamn stands!

So, yeah, I think I would have laid off.

But, I'm cool with it now.

Yeah...cool......

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I had absolutely no desire to watch this don. Zero. It's just too painful. Having said that, I feel sorry for Bartman. He didn't lose the game. No runs scored on the Bartman play. Gonzalez deserves more blame than Bartman for letting a routine grounder go right through his fucking legs.

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I didn't mind the Red Sox stuff. It was tied in nicely w/ the whole theme of the show.

That Cuthbert guy is a genuine asshole. I remember back in 03 thinking he was a dick w/ his drunken tough guy act. Thumbs down to Bartman's friends. They abandon the guy at the ballpark?

"Oh shit, Steve is calling....don't answer dont answer!"

You have to give props to the Cubs security for the way they handled things. Although, I wouldn't have minded if a few of the security guys went clubbing some of the maniacs around.

I was glad Fox took some blame for what they did to poor Bartman. Same goes to all the Sports guys who had a mic in front of them. They totally inflamed the situation. Very few put the blame squarely on Gonzalez. You kept hearing, "Well maybe Gonzalez could have turned two...he could have gotten one out for sure." On the other hand, people were convinced that Piss Hands would catch the ball w/o Bartman around and the Cubs would get out of the inning no matter what.

I'll be waiting to hear all the talking hands try to absolve themselves today (Wed) as they call out people who blamed Bartman.

It's easy for Pat Looney. He isn't the symbol of 103 years of Cub fan frustrations.

I'm all for throwing a douche out who reaches onto the field. It usually happens on a fair ball and might cause a triple to be a ground rule double or prevent a runner from scoring. But this was different. It was a foul ball that was right over the fans heads. I'd like to think I'd have had the presence of mind to back off and allow my guy to catch the ball, but I'm not sure I would.

I don't see how they could throw a fan out for sticking his hands up to catch that ball. It was just a play that happens often during a season. Usually the fielder goes back to his position and play continues without incident. Alou acted like a child and Prior followed his veteran leadership and came unwound. If those guys hadn't blown, we wouldn't even know who Bartman is. Fox sure wouldn't have covered it the way they did.

Finally, I don't think the umpires could call an out there, especially for the home team in their own park. Earlier this season in Minnesota a fan reached for a ball during a game vs. Detroit. A Twins runner was prevented from scoring. Gardenhire came out to argue and the umpire must have told him it was your fan in your park. Gardenhire tried to make the case that the guy was wearing an orange shirt and thus, must have been a Tigers fan. That argument didn't work.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

so if a cardinals fan throws batteries or some other projectile one time, it's OK to say that cardinals fans are dangerous? there's no question there are a handful of philly fans that are pieces of shit. they perpetuate the stereotype that they're barbarians. but i know people who refuse to go to philly or philly games because they're "afraid" of being attacked, and that is silly. i've been to flyers, sixers, phillies games...i've never seen anything happen.

on average, philly fans are no more insufferable than any other fanbase. but the trashy ones got the spotlight, and now everyone thinks they're all horrible.

i don't think any fanbase could've done any worse than cubs fans did on that night.

eyes closed nodding


I wouldnt say I blame him. But there is no doubt that play changed everything.

I blame the play. Whatever Bartman did he did and Im not interested in disecting it or putting myself in his shoes. But that play was the turning point.

I couldn't take my eyes off of this last night. It was completely absorbing and
brought me back to 2003 much like Doug mentioned. Very well done on in all
aspects. I too was impressed with the care and concern of Wrigley security,
it made me feel good to know they would take care of Bartman like that with
so many crazies wanting to get him. It is a shame the guys life was ruined
when he was still a young man.

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Watching all that made me feel ill all over again. I never knew John Kass was sitting right next to the guy. That shot of Alou all by himself trying to make the catch was awesome. The rest just kind of dragged on in parts. I think, if you're not going to get Bartman for an interview, that needs to be cut to 1 hour.

From the little we've read about Bartman, I'm not sure his life has been ruined. His attorney says he's very happy. Seems like he's stayed out of the limelight very effectively. If I ran into the guy tomorrow, I doubt I would recognize him.

In some respects, I think his own reclusiveness is just adding to the drama of the whole thing. I think if he just did an interview and maybe some kind of parody poking fun at the whole thing, everybody would just move on and he wouldn't really have any more issues with it (if he's having any at all).

Also, the dude could make some money on the deal. I think he deserves that. I'd love for the guy to make a couple hundred thousand for what he's had to deal with.

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I'd like for him to use the film as a hitlist and murder the jagoff who threw shit at him.

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