How big of a douchebag do you have to be to go on a doc 8 years later and be all proud that you're a jackass that threw beer on the guy?

"Yeah, I got thrown out. It's happened before." 23 IQ-Guy was even smiling about it. Congratulations.

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He wears it like a badge of honor.

Douche.

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For everybody saying that Bartman is partly to blame, please explain to the class how he had any affect on the Cubs blowing the lead in Game 7? I know the standard "there shouldn't have been a game 7" will be said, but there was a Game 7, and the Cubs had one of their best pitchers on the mound. And they had the lead, at home. And lost. That has nothing to do with Bartman.

You can talk about that Bartman play, the botched double play, the wild pitch, what Dusty did or didn't do, etc etc etc all day long, but the fact is that none-- NONE-- of that has anything to do with the Cubs pissing away the lead in Game 7.

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Everyone knew the outcome of game 7 before it even started. You wouldn't understand, Frank.

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I hear that a lot too. But I'm just saying even if Game 7 felt like a funeral, the Cubs still had the lead.

I didn't watch this documentary or read the entire thread, I was just kinda skimming thru it and saw some of the posts about Bartman. I'd like to catch this show at some point though.

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It all happened, Frank. And the Cubs blew many chances.

But, the first thing to happen was the Bartman play. That play, I feel, caused the Cubs players to lose their shit and it all fell apart. It's true that the entire place was waiting for something to happen. I was waiting at home. That's why we were all counting every out.

I remember thinking when they got that first out in the 8th and there were only 5 outs left, that they were really going to do this.

So, sure, they had many chances after that. But, their best chance was to get the last 5 (or 4) outs with a 3 run lead in Game 6 and nobody on and Prior rolling along. To act like the play didn't matter is ridiculous.

It's not Bartman's fault that the Cubs fell apart. That was the culmination of Earth-sized expectations that weigh on every Cubs team that gets that close and all keep an eye out for "what is going to go wrong". That play was the trigger. It's that same level of pressure that destoyed the 2 subsequent playoff teams that shrunk to the moment. That's "the curse". These teams couldn't deal with the pressure.

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I couldn't imagine watching that as a Cubs fan. I'm a Sox fan, so I enjoyed reliving the Cubs and their fandumb's misery.

Gotta agree with the good Doctor - this one guy in particular came off as the biggest douche nozzle.

Loved Blago shooting his mouth off too. What an ass crack.

And the ESPN.com columnist stalking Bartman in a parking garage was troubling. If he was packing heat - odds were that columnist would be dead.

I found the thing troubling as I watched it. I didn't understand the looping story of the Bosox into the mix, but seeing as the film maker was a Bosox fan, it kind of makes sense. And while Bartman wouldn't talk, at least Billy Buck did. Really felt for the guy when he mentioned his dad committed suicide when he was a kid, and baseball was his escape. LOVED the fact he was wearing a Cubs batting glove when he made the error - you gotta admit - it was priceless.

But at the end.... much like that night - Bartman wasn't to blame for the Cubs losing that game, or that series. And had they won the series, who's to say they would have even won the World Series? (Kinda like that Hue Hollins call on Pippen - that wasn't even a conference championship game - so the Bulls weren't ripped off of a 'championship' IMHO)

I admit I may have overstated his entire life being ruined, it certainly was ruined for at least a year or more.
I wish the guy nothing but the best. I had forgotten that the pudgy guy who actually picked up the ball sold
it for $1 million. I'd love to see Bartman come out and do an interview but I doubt we'll see that, maybe if the
Cubs ever finally win a world series. I doubt I would recognize him either, we all know him as he looked that
night not as a business professional or an everyman walking the street.

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Buckner made an appearance in a Curb Your Enthusiasm episode about a month ago and it was pretty
funny. Let's just say he atones for his World Series gaffe at the end.

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Shouldnt they have known the outcome of Game 6?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

No, that whole season was a 6 month long convincing that the Old Cubbies were gone.

Especially after beating Atlanta and going up 3-1, at that point, I honestly believed they were too good to be stopped.

And that confidence went away in less than two innings? It must've not been a very strong belief.

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Ask Boston fans how they felt before and after the Buckner play

I cant explain it real well, its just what it was. Having the robotic seemingly curse proof and unshakeable Prior on the mound didnt help.

He was a big part of the confidence.

Prior was a huge part of it. He was the poster child of the new Cubs - young, could care less about the past, destined to be great for years to come. He was 12-1 in his 13 previous starts dating back to July.

He was the future and it was certain that he would win. I actually thought it was kind of cool that they lost Game 5 so the Cubs could clinch at Wrigley. The loss didn't concern me at all. It seemed appropriate to celebrate the NLCS clincher in Chicago.

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Ya it was hard to watch, but a few things about that game.

Gonzo made the error, but if I remember correctly, it would have been very hard for him to turn a double play. Wasn't Juan Pierre on first? Even getting 1 out may have been hard the way the ball was hit and the way the SS body was positioned to throw out the guy at first.

I also remember Game 7. It was going fine and I think around the 5th inning, the whole place just went dead. I don't know why, but they were leading and then the whole place went dead, and Wood lost it and eventually lost the game.

Feel bad for Prior, how his career went to crap after that moment. I've been a Cubs fan all my life and have seen so many players but I have to say watching Prior pitch THAT YEAR was the most joy I had as a Cubs Fan in terms of admiring a cubs player. he just had a magical quality about him that year, of course until that Game 6.

ehhhh...............I think I'll never see them get to the WS ever.

I remember that game 5, i had a bad feeling, like the feeling in 1984 after game 5. I still thought they'd do it in Game 6.

Alot of this stuff was already common knowledge. Buckner wearing the Cubs glove, who didn't know about that 20 years ago? I guess Hanley and Mulligan didn't since they seemed amazed by that fact on their show this morning.

Interesting though how he got out of there that night. That was one of the few things I didn't already know.

I got shot through the heart. And Bartman's to blame. He gives the Cubs a bad name.

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Actually 14-1 counting the 2 playoff games.

Dusty had an 8 run lead after 3 innings with the league leader in pitches Mark Prior on the mound, and he left him in for 8.

It wasnt Pierre on first but even getting one out would have been huge.



Yeah they went crazy when Wood hit the homer to tie it in the third...it wasnt as much excitement as it was the release of all that emotion...they hadnt had anything to cheer about and they let it all out on the Wood HR.

Then Alou hits one in the 5th to take the lead....but there was no comfort.

Wood gave it up the next inning...and that was it.


Absolutely. And he had the magic for most of Game 6

I included those.

5-0 in August
5-1 in September
2-0 thus far in the playoffs

I was at Game 2. He had an 11-0 lead after 5 and still left him in for 2 more innings. That should get more play in this whole "what happened" scenario. I was ticked off when I kept seeing him run out there. 116 pitches in October with an 11-run lead. Stupid.

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which is exactly why, grid, that the doc started with buckner and the bosox. in baseball, the red sox and cubs have the biggest scapegoat stories in its history.

on the point of confidence shaken, nothing catastrophic happened until that moment; and after that moment, the ghosts came back. it wasn't like they scored a few runs...they scored 8 fucking runs. eight.

Not to mention he was coming off a 133 pitch Complete game.

And as far as underrepoted details....Sosa airmailing the cut off man (purpoesly) on Redmond's double led to 4 more runs.

If he hits the cut off man and the next guy hits the same grounder he did...we go to the 8th down 4-3

I thought it was interesting how they showed an earlier play where Bartman was waving for camera attention when there was a nearby foul ball in the stands. One of those "be careful for what you wish for" things.

Some of the "fans" really were disgusting -- especially the guy in the tunnel who ripped the sweater from Bartman as he tried to cover his face. When asked why he did it, tha fan said something like, "I wanted to expose him for ruining a once in a lifetime experience." Douche.

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I'm confused...I thought Cuthbert and the guy that threw the beer were two different people. Did I miss something?
I thought I had heard Cuthbert on Waddle and Silvy this morning and he stated he wasn't the walking guy in the Cubs jersey. the filmmaker just edited the footage as such.

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That's bullshit. If I remember correctly they came out in game 5 and got shut out 4-0 or something like that and completely dominated. As soon as that happened I told anyone who would listen that the series was 100% over and the Marlins were headed to the WS. You could tell from the way they came out with no life in that game 5 that they were done. Games 6 and 7 were just a formality.

My buddy laughed at me and said "there's no way they can lose 6 and 7, not with Woody and Prior going! They hadn't lost a back to back game all year when they were pitching." To this day my buddy will still every once in a while shout out "woody and Prior" and then start laughing.

Cubs are a bunch of bums, their fans are fucking losers who deserve all the suffering they are put through. They will NEVER win a WS and anyone who believes differently should die in a fire.

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You are the poster child for Cubs fan stupidity.

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I don't want to say "all", but a lot of Cub fans had these same thoughts, shakes. I think you're being a little harsh. Some of these people are our friends and family members.

"A 3-1 lead with the two best pitchers in baseball scheduled next!" They were so excited. But no worries. The best rotation is baseball was intact. The 2004 Cubs was "the team with no weaknesses". A bunch of dopes on the ESPN board actually started calling them that.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

After losing game 5 I was pissed Prior wouldn't be able to pitch game 1 of the WS because he'd have to pitch game 6. I was still pretty confident but after losing game six though I fell into the "they're doomed" camp.

Well, at least my poster is limited to the Cubs.

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