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As for the other candidates that were out there ... it wasn't a job bigger names wanted, and Coop already in place was a big reason why.

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Why do I have this feeling Ventura will make Jerry Manuel look like he was Earl Weaver?

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"Robin didnt know he was being interviewed from 1994 to 1998." Kenny

You want to wing it with a guy, you THINK might be good, thats fine, roll the dice, but stop blowing shit up peoples arses with the fact you have been thinking about this for almost 20 years!

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The good thing about this move is that it makes this a Sox town once again.

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This could be Quade bad.

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What does Ozzie think?

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Two words. Ted Williams.

Being a smart player or even a great player means absolutely zero when it comes to actually managing a team. I'm not saying Ventura absolutely won't succeed but I would be very surprised if he does.

As for someone here saying he doesn't think managers make that much of a difference, you sir are on crack. All you have to do is look to the north side to see how that dipshit failed to handle the various personalities on the Cubs to the detriment of the team to realize that it takes more than "baseball knowledge" to be a good manager.

The baseball part is the easiest part, dealing with 25 major egos will be the truest test of Mr. Ventura's managerial ability.


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This could be Quade bad.
Isn't Quade a terrible comparison? Quade was a coach for 25 years. The better comparison is Joe Girardi in Florida though he was hired as a bench coach for the first year with him being the manager one year later.

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Two words. Ted Williams.

Being a smart player or even a great player means absolutely zero when it comes to actually managing a team. I'm not saying Ventura absolutely won't succeed but I would be very surprised if he does.

As for someone here saying he doesn't think managers make that much of a difference, you sir are on crack. All you have to do is look to the north side to see how that dipshit failed to handle the various personalities on the Cubs to the detriment of the team to realize that it takes more than "baseball knowledge" to be a good manager.

The baseball part is the easiest part, dealing with 25 major egos will be the truest test of Mr. Ventura's managerial ability.


Same guy I mentioned in one of these threads. For every Kirk Gibson,there are a half dozen Ted Williams.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:22 pm 
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As for someone here saying he doesn't think managers make that much of a difference, you sir are on crack. All you have to do is look to the north side to see how that dipshit failed to handle the various personalities on the Cubs to the detriment of the team to realize that it takes more than "baseball knowledge" to be a good manager.
Except for the fact that the Cubs were going to be bad anyways and he's a guy that with 25 years experience. Quade is a terrible comparison.
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The baseball part is the easiest part, dealing with 25 major egos will be the truest test of Mr. Ventura's managerial ability.
I agree which is why I think this is a good hire. I think Ventura is the kind of guy who can do that.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
schmitty1121 wrote:
This could be Quade bad.
Isn't Quade a terrible comparison? Quade was a coach for 25 years. The better comparison is Joe Girardi in Florida though he was hired as a bench coach for the first year with him being the manager one year later.

That was expected for Girardi though and not a huge surprise for Quade. No one seriously tossed around Ventura's name. I cannot think of another major league manager hire that had zero experience getting the nod like this.

Edit: Who was the Astros play by play guy they brought into the booth? I don't know if he had experience in coaching/managing prior to that.


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That was expected for Girardi though and not a huge surprise for Quade. No one seriously tossed around Ventura's name. I cannot think of another major league manager hire that had zero experience getting the nod like this.
What do you mean it was expected? Girardi was a broadcaster who was a player two years earlier when he was hired as the manager in waiting. Girardi was the exact same, except his first year was not as the manager.

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Ted Williams managed the Senators..

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Cubs fans wanted Girardi, Sandberg. All of these guys who never had "MLB Manager" on their resumes.

But its meatball for Sox fans to be ok with it? Hmm.............

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
StreetDoc67 wrote:
As for someone here saying he doesn't think managers make that much of a difference, you sir are on crack. All you have to do is look to the north side to see how that dipshit failed to handle the various personalities on the Cubs to the detriment of the team to realize that it takes more than "baseball knowledge" to be a good manager.
Except for the fact that the Cubs were going to be bad anyways and he's a guy that with 25 years experience. Quade is a terrible comparison.
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The baseball part is the easiest part, dealing with 25 major egos will be the truest test of Mr. Ventura's managerial ability.
I agree which is why I think this is a good hire. I think Ventura is the kind of guy who can do that.


Based upon what exactly makes you think he'll be good at dealing with egos? He has no track record other than getting his ass handed to him by a geriatric hall-of-famer. If the Sox what a manager that will retalite to bean balls then Ventura is their guy, I just don't think he is anything to get excited about simply because he once donned a Chisox uni.

As for Quade being a bad comparison, not really, he too was a first time major league manager who was hopelessly out of his depth with managing players, not baseball. Ventura may be a baseball strategy savant, but if he can't handle the clubhouse he's toast.


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Cubs fans wanted Girardi, Sandberg. All of these guys who never had "MLB Manager" on their resumes.

But its meatball for Sox fans to be ok with it? Hmm.............
Not only that. Girardi had never been anything but a player or a broadcaster. He has a manager of the year and a World Series ring.

Not saying that Robin is going to do the same but it's not exactly unprecedented.

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That was expected for Girardi though and not a huge surprise for Quade. No one seriously tossed around Ventura's name. I cannot think of another major league manager hire that had zero experience getting the nod like this.
What do you mean it was expected? Girardi was a broadcaster who was a player two years earlier when he was hired as the manager in waiting. Girardi was the exact same, except his first year was not as the manager.

Do you not remember Girardi was always being talked about and considered manager material? That was no surprise whatsoever. The fact he was brought down for that year and sat on the bench is still more than what we have here. Ventura to my knowledge was never talked about in the same manner that Girardi was. Ventura to my knowledge has never coached or managed for any period of time at any level. Not sure that is a big deal in "doing the job", but it is an interesting leap of faith for WSOX.


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beni hanna wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
schmitty1121 wrote:
This could be Quade bad.
Isn't Quade a terrible comparison? Quade was a coach for 25 years. The better comparison is Joe Girardi in Florida though he was hired as a bench coach for the first year with him being the manager one year later.

That was expected for Girardi though and not a huge surprise for Quade. No one seriously tossed around Ventura's name. I cannot think of another major league manager hire that had zero experience getting the nod like this.

Edit: Who was the Astros play by play guy they brought into the booth? I don't know if he had experience in coaching/managing prior to that.

I believe Larry Dierker is the closest thing to this that I can remember. He was play by play from 1979 - 1996. He managed the Astros from 1997-2001.


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Cubs fans wanted Girardi, Sandberg. All of these guys who never had "MLB Manager" on their resumes.

But its meatball for Sox fans to be ok with it? Hmm.............


They managed somewhere Frank,Jesus Christ get a grip.

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Based upon what exactly makes you think he'll be good at dealing with egos? He has no track record other than getting his ass handed to him by a geriatric hall-of-famer. If the Sox what a manager that will retalite to bean balls then Ventura is their guy, I just don't think he is anything to get excited about simply because he once donned a Chisox uni.
Good rationale. He had a baseball fight once.
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As for Quade being a bad comparison, not really, he too was a first time major league manager who was hopelessly out of his depth with managing players, not baseball. Ventura may be a baseball strategy savant, but if he can't handle the clubhouse he's toast.
So you would react similarly with any first time manager? Who was your guy?

Ventura may not be good, but he's about as different as you can get from Quade given the big problem with Ventura seems to be his lack of experience whereas Quade had tons of it.

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I hope he does handle personalities because he sure doesn't come across as particularly baseball sharp. Dusty Baker great with young players? Excellent!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Os1uiJ6MHA


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I hope he does handle personalities because he sure doesn't come across as particularly baseball sharp. Dusty Baker great with young players? Excellent!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Os1uiJ6MHA
Did World Series winning manager Ozzie Guillen come off as a genius in interviews?

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Hmm...odd that Rick would be defending Reinsdorf and/or the Sox.


I liked Robin as a player.

I believe this is a sign that they are rebuilding.

But its so out of leftfield its hard to tell.

Reinsdorf really does like giving people their first shot at the bigtime....thats a pretty interesting business policy.


If I had to guess, Id think Jerry is thinking...Rebuild with Ventura, maybe win a little, and when were ready to contend again well see if were gonna keep him or not.



If he can teach them how to hit grandslams....that would be something.


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I like the hire. He's as good as any of the other candidates out there. I expect a huge turn around for guys like Dunn and Rios next season.

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I like the hire. He's as good as any of the other candidates out there. I expect a huge turn around for guys like Dunn and Rios next season.

As good at what?


He has no history. We have no way of knowing...he could be Casey Stengal or he could be Terry Bevington.


He is certainly polite, well spoken, and a former White Sox.


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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Cubs fans wanted Girardi, Sandberg. All of these guys who never had "MLB Manager" on their resumes.

But its meatball for Sox fans to be ok with it? Hmm.............




not at all, i like the move..in 3 years everyone bad mouthing the hire will look foolish and say it was a good move.

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Kenny is out of his mind.

Has been for some time.

This move blows.

No thanks.

My dad quit the Sox back when the Two Amigos started their "Sox will move to Florida" bullshit. He became a Cub Fan in his last years.

Have to think about that.

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