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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:06 pm 
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That pass by Cutler in the first quarter did not appear to be tipped. That's ridiculous that Detroit could actually challenge whether it was tipped.

The Bears should have kicked the field goal in the first quarter and not blown the timeouts and challenges.

If not for a couple blown safety plays, how many yards would the Bears actually have given up?

Why didn't the Bears kick the field goal at the end of the game to attempt the onside with some time left?

The Lions are going to get smoked by Green Bay.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:50 pm 
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Why didn't the Bears kick the field goal at the end of the game to attempt the onside with some time left?

I never understand why teams waste all that time trying to get a touchdown when they are down between 9 and 11 points. You need 2 scores (A TD & FG). Just take the FG when you are within range and then onside kick and hope for the best. Carolina did the same thing against the Bears last week, and it just makes zero sense. But all coaches follow this pattern, apparently.

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Mini Ditka wrote:
Why didn't the Bears kick the field goal at the end of the game to attempt the onside with some time left?

I never understand why teams waste all that time trying to get a touchdown when they are down between 9 and 11 points. You need 2 scores (A TD & FG). Just take the FG when you are within range and then onside kick and hope for the best. Carolina did the same thing against the Bears last week, and it just makes zero sense. But all coaches follow this pattern, apparently.


It really makes no sense. The odds of getting the Onside kick arent that great to begin with, if you do get it you would like to still have some time on the clock.

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Watch it again, it was definitely tipped. The nose of the ball is pointing straight, but then moves downward after hitting his hand... starting the wobbling.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:40 pm 
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Mini Ditka wrote:
If not for a couple blown safety plays, how many yards would the Bears actually have given up?.


Who cares? They did give them up. This is Wannie logic.

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good dolphin wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
If not for a couple blown safety plays, how many yards would the Bears actually have given up?.


Who cares? They did give them up. This is Wannie logic.


If not for them scoring more points than the Bears, the Bears would have won the game.


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Mini Ditka wrote:
That pass by Cutler in the first quarter did not appear to be tipped. That's ridiculous that Detroit could actually challenge whether it was tipped.


how is the ability to challenge that any more ridiculous than being able to challenge if a receiver trapped the ball or had feet inbounds or a guys knee was down? it was an important play at the time that the officials were able to correct.


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man of few opinions wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
That pass by Cutler in the first quarter did not appear to be tipped. That's ridiculous that Detroit could actually challenge whether it was tipped.


how is the ability to challenge that any more ridiculous than being able to challenge if a receiver trapped the ball or had feet inbounds or a guys knee was down? it was an important play at the time that the officials were able to correct.


The difference is the concept of a challenge overturning a penalty. I have never once seen a challenge overturn a penalty ever.

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Mini Ditka wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
That pass by Cutler in the first quarter did not appear to be tipped. That's ridiculous that Detroit could actually challenge whether it was tipped.


how is the ability to challenge that any more ridiculous than being able to challenge if a receiver trapped the ball or had feet inbounds or a guys knee was down? it was an important play at the time that the officials were able to correct.


The difference is the concept of a challenge overturning a penalty. I have never once seen a challenge overturn a penalty ever.


and you still haven't.


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Big Chicagoan wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
If not for a couple blown safety plays, how many yards would the Bears actually have given up?.


Who cares? They did give them up. This is Wannie logic.


If not for them scoring more points than the Bears, the Bears would have won the game.

That is Tim McCarver logic.

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man of few opinions wrote:
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The difference is the concept of a challenge overturning a penalty. I have never once seen a challenge overturn a penalty ever.


and you still haven't.


It was clearly pass interference but because they were able to challenge the tipping of the ball the penalty was overturned. The penalty was overturned indirectly.

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Mini Ditka wrote:
man of few opinions wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
The difference is the concept of a challenge overturning a penalty. I have never once seen a challenge overturn a penalty ever.


and you still haven't.


It was clearly pass interference but because they were able to challenge the tipping of the ball the penalty was overturned. The penalty was overturned indirectly.

works for me.


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good dolphin wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
If not for a couple blown safety plays, how many yards would the Bears actually have given up?.


Who cares? They did give them up. This is Wannie logic.


It does make a difference to understand where the problem on the defense is. It's clearly safety and defensive line.

As much as people are jumping on the Lion's bandwagon I don't think they are significantly better than the Bears. If you put Calvin Johnson on the Bears with an offensive line Cutler throws for 3 TDs in last night's game easy.

Is it time for the Bears to get rid of Devin Hester? He seems like he just keeps messing things up as a receiver and a returner.

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Mini Ditka wrote:
As much as people are jumping on the Lion's bandwagon I don't think they are significantly better than the Bears. If you put Calvin Johnson on the Bears with an offensive line Cutler throws for 3 TDs in last night's game easy.


you like to play the "what if" game a lot.


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man of few opinions wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
As much as people are jumping on the Lion's bandwagon I don't think they are significantly better than the Bears. If you put Calvin Johnson on the Bears with an offensive line Cutler throws for 3 TDs in last night's game easy.


you like to play the "what if" game a lot.

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man of few opinions wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
As much as people are jumping on the Lion's bandwagon I don't think they are significantly better than the Bears. If you put Calvin Johnson on the Bears with an offensive line Cutler throws for 3 TDs in last night's game easy.


you like to play the "what if" game a lot.


I used to like to play the "just the tip" game as a youngster.

I agree with Ditka that the Lions are not significantly better than the Bears and it would not be even a slight shock for them to split their year series.

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I don't there are that many elite teams out there. As bad as the Bears have played they could still make the playoffs as a wildcard if they can get some decent o-line and safety play.

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I don't there are that many elite teams out there. As bad as the Bears have played they could still make the playoffs as a wildcard if they can get some decent o-line and safety play.


As bad as the NFC is, it is possible that both wild card teams could come from the NFC North, but the Lions & Falcons are my wild card favorites.


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the falcons suck this year and they've got a tougher season. the bucs have a better chance at the wildcard than the bears do but they play in a tougher division.


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