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Like I wrote earlier...believe it when you see it. Seems clear ricketts / cubs are making a serious run at him, but certainly not clear whether he really wants to come or not. Longer it goes...more likely it falls apart in my opinion.

I can't see it extending beyond tomorrow either way. Ricketts better have a good backup plan if Epstein tells him to go fuck himself.

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Perhaps if Theo falls through we can convince Konerko to be a player/GM

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Perhaps if Theo falls through we can convince Konerko to be a player/GM


Clever.

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If Theo goes to Chi, Sandberg will be favorite to be named manager. Theo tried to hire Sandberg for Pawtucket last winter

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Good for the Cubs if they do get Theo.

Hope he has better luck than the last 2 big names brought in.




what two big names? dusty? he never won a world series but he did take A wildcard team 1 game away from the world series..and lou was run out of town in tampa and did a shit job here...epstein is far better track record than either


I don't get Cub fans, I really don't. First of all, Lou is more accomplished than Theo. He won a World Series with the Reds with 0 HOF players on the roster (Larkin is borderline, but not a slam-dunk). The only other manager to do that in the last 20 years just got run out of town. He also turned Seattle from a graveyard into a perenial contender. Secondly, how hard is it to be a GM with a payroll like the Red Sox? It is like starting an auction draft in a fantasy league with 3x the amount of draft dollars. Yes they have a great farm system, but they can also afford to have bad contracts like Lackey and Dice-K and still go out and sign Gonzalez.

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If Theo goes to Chi, Sandberg will be favorite to be named manager. Theo tried to hire Sandberg for Pawtucket last winter

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If Theo goes to Chi, Sandberg will be favorite to be named manager. Theo tried to hire Sandberg for Pawtucket last winter

:D :D :D
Hayden Simpson as compensation ????



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Theo & Ryno??? I love it. I will take back everything that I ever said about Ricketts.

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Flying around the Twitter:

If Theo goes to Chi, Sandberg will be favorite to be named manager. Theo tried to hire Sandberg for Pawtucket last winter

:D :D :D
Hayden Simpson as compensation ????



Why don't we just give them AIDS?


I think that may be a felony fella.

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Good for the Cubs if they do get Theo.

Hope he has better luck than the last 2 big names brought in.




what two big names? dusty? he never won a world series but he did take A wildcard team 1 game away from the world series..and lou was run out of town in tampa and did a shit job here...epstein is far better track record than either


I don't get Cub fans, I really don't. First of all, Lou is more accomplished than Theo. He won a World Series with the Reds with 0 HOF players on the roster (Larkin is borderline, but not a slam-dunk). The only other manager to do that in the last 20 years just got run out of town. He also turned Seattle from a graveyard into a perenial contender. Secondly, how hard is it to be a GM with a payroll like the Red Sox? It is like starting an auction draft in a fantasy league with 3x the amount of draft dollars. Yes they have a great farm system, but they can also afford to have bad contracts like Lackey and Dice-K and still go out and sign Gonzalez.


Lou wasn't the manager or leader with the Cubs that he once was with the Reds & Mariners.

Ozzie & his dumb fuck kids ran him out of town.

Theo won 2 World Series with a franchise that was in a similar position that the Cubs are in.

Your just mad because the south side minor league ball-club just hired a manager who has never ever coached or managed AT ANY LEVEL, while the Cubbies just hired the hottest rising young baseball star executive in the game.
It's gonna feel strange giving Ricketts a shoutout for this move, but I'll give him his props if he can pull this off.

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312player wrote:
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Good for the Cubs if they do get Theo.

Hope he has better luck than the last 2 big names brought in.




what two big names? dusty? he never won a world series but he did take A wildcard team 1 game away from the world series..and lou was run out of town in tampa and did a shit job here...epstein is far better track record than either


I don't get Cub fans, I really don't. First of all, Lou is more accomplished than Theo. He won a World Series with the Reds with 0 HOF players on the roster (Larkin is borderline, but not a slam-dunk). The only other manager to do that in the last 20 years just got run out of town. He also turned Seattle from a graveyard into a perenial contender. Secondly, how hard is it to be a GM with a payroll like the Red Sox? It is like starting an auction draft in a fantasy league with 3x the amount of draft dollars. Yes they have a great farm system, but they can also afford to have bad contracts like Lackey and Dice-K and still go out and sign Gonzalez.




i am not a fan of piniella, i saw him have the best team in baseball 2 times, and the first time he did not even make the world series..the second time he got swept by the dodgers in the first round.i also saw joe maddon come in and clean up his mess and do a 180 with the rays as soon as lou was run out of town...epstein has a big payroll yes, but he also won 2 titles in a short period of time in the hardest division in baseball.

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Scorehead I hope he is successful.

Keep the Cubs-Sox bullshit.

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A 90 win per year team in the AL East is a minimum 95 win per year team in the NL Central.


That's a perfectly reasonable thing to say, but I'm not sure it's really true. That's the beauty of baseball. It's a funny game.

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Should a team not want a GM with a good track record?


Should a team not expect results when they hire a manager with a winning pedigree?
Of course. My only issue is that 100% of Cubs fans view Theo as the savior. It's so crazy that they are willing to trade Starlin Castro for him.

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Of course. My only issue is that 100% of Cubs fans view Theo as the savior. It's so crazy that they are willing to trade Starlin Castro for him.


This is just a speaking in generalities bit right? Who said they would trade Castro for Theo?

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Sounds like it is just a matter of time before it gets formally announced.

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Should a team not want a GM with a good track record?


Should a team not expect results when they hire a manager with a winning pedigree?
Of course. My only issue is that 100% of Cubs fans view Theo as the savior. It's so crazy that they are willing to trade Starlin Castro for him.

Whats crazy is that 100% of sox fans say Kenny is a genius and Ozzie was the problem.

Ozzie won a world series and now all sox fans say he was terrible. I dont get it.


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Who's on the untouchable list?

Castro for sure
Garza for sure
Jackson, most likely
Mcnutt?
Szczur?
Baez?
Maples?

Going to have to give up at least one high B type guy I'd assume.

This will be interesting. It's not like Boston hasn't gave rhetoric that Theo wouldn't be there forever and they can envision life after him. He only has one year left on his deal so they don't have a ton of leverage. But then again, this is Tom Ricketts presumably negotiating this package? Which is terrifying.

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Hasnt there been a bunch of reports saying it will be $ compensation.


Something weird about a GM being traded for a player.


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Should a team not want a GM with a good track record?


Should a team not expect results when they hire a manager with a winning pedigree?
Of course. My only issue is that 100% of Cubs fans view Theo as the savior. It's so crazy that they are willing to trade Starlin Castro for him.

Whats crazy is that 100% of sox fans say Kenny is a genius and Ozzie was the problem.

Ozzie won a world series and now all sox fans say he was terrible. I dont get it.
I don't think it's fair to generalize that all Sox fans felt that way.

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Who's on the untouchable list?

Castro for sure
Garza for sure
Jackson, most likely
Mcnutt?
Szczur?
Baez?
Maples?

Going to have to give up at least one high B type guy I'd assume.

This will be interesting. It's not like Boston hasn't gave rhetoric that Theo wouldn't be there forever and they can envision life after him. He only has one year left on his deal so they don't have a ton of leverage. But then again, this is Tom Ricketts presumably negotiating this package? Which is terrifying.


I think its szczur. It can't be Baez or Maples as you either can't be traded until 1 year after you have been drafted or 1 year after you have signed. This is why they sometimes use the PTBNL in trades as they must wait for that 1 year limit to expire. They wouldn't wait 9-10 months to get these guys though.

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Of course. My only issue is that 100% of Cubs fans view Theo as the savior. It's so crazy that they are willing to trade Starlin Castro for him.


Whats crazy is that 100% of sox fans say Kenny is a genius and Ozzie was the problem.

Ozzie won a world series and now all sox fans say he was terrible. I dont get it.[/quote]I don't think it's fair to generalize that all Sox fans felt that way.[/quote]


But it is fair to generalize all cubs fan that way?? Please. :roll:

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I think its szczur. It can't be Baez or Maples as you either can't be traded until 1 year after you have been drafted or 1 year after you have signed. This is why they sometimes use the PTBNL in trades as they must wait for that 1 year limit to expire. They wouldn't wait 9-10 months to get these guys though.



Shit that's right. Good call. The Red Sox are in turmoil though and appear to want to make changes just for change sake. Mid-Level prospect and call it a day hopefully.

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WEEI radio reporting that the deal is done. Only compensation left. 5 years 15 million. Done by weekend in all likelihood.

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Should a team not want a GM with a good track record?


Should a team not expect results when they hire a manager with a winning pedigree?
Of course. My only issue is that 100% of Cubs fans view Theo as the savior. It's so crazy that they are willing to trade Starlin Castro for him.


Once again, your 100% savior thing is incorrect. The only person I've even heard suggest Starlin Castro for Theo is Daniel. He's not even suggesting you make that deal. He's suggesting in his mind, it would be worth it.

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WEEI radio reporting that the deal is done. Only compensation left. 5 years 15 million. Done by weekend in all likelihood.



5 years and NORTH of 15M. We'll see.

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Should a team not want a GM with a good track record?


Should a team not expect results when they hire a manager with a winning pedigree?
Of course. My only issue is that 100% of Cubs fans view Theo as the savior. It's so crazy that they are willing to trade Starlin Castro for him.


Once again, your 100% savior thing is incorrect. The only person I've even heard suggest Starlin Castro for Theo is Daniel. He's not even suggesting you make that deal. He's suggesting in his mind, it would be worth it.
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