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I think Bob will stay in the booth. I'm not sure he has the fire to start from ground zero and build this thing up from the very bottom.

This will probably be Sandberg with Jody Davis as his bench coach.

I hope it's not Jody Davis. Get someone with a major league pedigree who can aide Sandberg with matchups. The bench coach has gotta know the opposing players, managers, etc. given Sandberg's lack of ML experience.

This is not the White Sox!

:lol: I'm just throwing that out there since he is an ex cub, former catcher and managing in the minor league system.

I know, but give me the proverbial grizzled 30 year veteran bench coach type.


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According to Cubs mouthpiece Bruce Levine, Sandberg's name never came up during the interview process when asked about potential managerial choices should Quade not be retained.

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Nice of them to allow Bruce to sit in on the interviews. That guy really does have in depth access.


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 Post subject: Re: New Cubs Manager
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cpguy wrote:
I know, but give me the proverbial grizzled 30 year veteran bench coach type.

Quade?

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According to Cubs mouthpiece Bruce Levine, Sandberg's name never came up during the interview process when asked about potential managerial choices should Quade not be retained.

But in another piece, Sandberg's name is back in play.

At least we are not hearing about Jim Fucking Riggleman returning although he may be a decent bench coach...


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 Post subject: Re: New Cubs Manager
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I think Bob is awesome but I just don't know if he wants to spend the next five years re-building this thing. They are not just 1 or 2 years away. If he was up for it I am all in on him getting the job.

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I know, but give me the proverbial grizzled 30 year veteran bench coach type.

Quade?

He will be assigned to Class D Ball as bench coach 2nd chair.


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 Post subject: Re: New Cubs Manager
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I think Bob is awesome but I just don't know if he wants to spend the next five years re-building this thing. They are not just 1 or 2 years away. If he was up for it I am all in on him getting the job.

I would disagree on the 2 years away thing. The Cubs should be able to compete in 2014 if they play their cards right.

At that time, the bad contracts would be gone, and Theo would have had 3 off-seasons to sign players... none of this drafted players would be making debuts...but the Cubs do have some possibly decent players within the minors...anywhere from A to AAA right now.

Let us say:

C: Free Agent
1B: LaHair or FA
2B: Barney or FA
SS: Castro
3B: LaMahieu or Vitters
LF: Flaherty
CF: Szczur
RF: Jackson

P: Garza, Cashner, Wells, Jackson, Carpenter, McNutt, Samardzija, Russell, some free agents

If some of those minor leagues pan out...a few nice free agent signings - the Cubs can compete.

I like the optimism but very doutbful that more than 1 or 2 maybe 3 of these minor leaguers will pan out and be difference makers.


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 Post subject: Re: New Cubs Manager
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It is possible you are correct - but the Cubs have the resources to fill in pieces here and there as long as they spend the money intelligently - and with a better GM that is likely.

I have much faith in Jackson, Flaherty, and Szczur though.

I hope so. Would have been nice to see Jackson get a few AB's in September. The only thing that scares me about him is the strikeout ratio.


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 Post subject: Re: New Cubs Manager
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Did Robin Ventura get fired yet? He could be an interesting choice.

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 Post subject: Re: New Cubs Manager
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It is possible you are correct - but the Cubs have the resources to fill in pieces here and there as long as they spend the money intelligently - and with a better GM that is likely.

I have much faith in Jackson, Flaherty, and Szczur though.


epstein is leaving some financial carnage of his own on bostons books. was the john lackey signing and example of an "intelligent" signing we can look forward to in chicago? if hendry had made that signing he would be considered the biggest idiot GM of all time, yet epstein is still a genius. the difference is in boston the lackey signing was overshadowed by some of the other huge contracts they have and the fact they still have enough talent to compete.

im not upset that he may be coming to town, i am actually ok with it, but he has a lot to prove before i buy into the whole "theo epstein is a great gm" vibe.


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It is possible you are correct - but the Cubs have the resources to fill in pieces here and there as long as they spend the money intelligently - and with a better GM that is likely.

I have much faith in Jackson, Flaherty, and Szczur though.


McNutt is going to be good as well

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 Post subject: Re: New Cubs Manager
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immessedup17 wrote:
It is possible you are correct - but the Cubs have the resources to fill in pieces here and there as long as they spend the money intelligently - and with a better GM that is likely.

I have much faith in Jackson, Flaherty, and Szczur though.

1 of those 3 is going to Boston imo.

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 Post subject: Re: New Cubs Manager
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It is possible you are correct - but the Cubs have the resources to fill in pieces here and there as long as they spend the money intelligently - and with a better GM that is likely.

I have much faith in Jackson, Flaherty, and Szczur though.


McNutt is going to be good as well

Waaaay too much counting on prospects

There is no way all those prospects or even half of them will work out.


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 Post subject: Re: New Cubs Manager
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It is possible you are correct - but the Cubs have the resources to fill in pieces here and there as long as they spend the money intelligently - and with a better GM that is likely.

I have much faith in Jackson, Flaherty, and Szczur though.

1 of those 3 is going to Boston imo.

I can see Boston wanting Szczur. He has a chance to be good. No way the Cubs give up Jackson, their top prospect. I can live with Flaherty going although he has a chance to be a player too for sure.


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 Post subject: Re: New Cubs Manager
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I seriously doubt the Red Sox get any sort of top prospect from the Cubs.


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 Post subject: Re: New Cubs Manager
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maybe, but i fear some hard news for all of the true-blue epstein believers out there: the difference between jim hendry and theo epstein may not be as big as you think or hope.


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 Post subject: Re: New Cubs Manager
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immessedup17 wrote:
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It is possible you are correct - but the Cubs have the resources to fill in pieces here and there as long as they spend the money intelligently - and with a better GM that is likely.

I have much faith in Jackson, Flaherty, and Szczur though.

1 of those 3 is going to Boston imo.

Very very doubtful. Any of those 3 would be considered "significant", and all sources are reporting no players of that category would be sent over.

Expect it to be a couple of single A guys not named Szczur - guys with very little major league upside.

Hopefully Ricketts just coughs up cash and a couple fringe prospects but one never knows with Ricketts.


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 Post subject: Re: New Cubs Manager
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It is possible you are correct - but the Cubs have the resources to fill in pieces here and there as long as they spend the money intelligently - and with a better GM that is likely.

I have much faith in Jackson, Flaherty, and Szczur though.


epstein is leaving some financial carnage of his own on bostons books. was the john lackey signing and example of an "intelligent" signing we can look forward to in chicago? if hendry had made that signing he would be considered the biggest idiot GM of all time, yet epstein is still a genius. the difference is in boston the lackey signing was overshadowed by some of the other huge contracts they have and the fact they still have enough talent to compete.

im not upset that he may be coming to town, i am actually ok with it, but he has a lot to prove before i buy into the whole "theo epstein is a great gm" vibe.

The Lackey signing wouldnt be in Jim hendry's top ten bad moves.

Lackey was decent last year and had a bad year this year.

And at the time he was a solid pitcher.

Its not worked out, but its not like it was a terrible deal.


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 Post subject: Re: New Cubs Manager
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Waaaay too much counting on prospects

There is no way all those prospects or even half of them will work out.

No one ever said they all would. I asterisked it with explanations.

But even if i add in FA in all those spots it still seems youre counting on an awful lot of minor leagurs coming thru.


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 Post subject: Re: New Cubs Manager
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It is possible you are correct - but the Cubs have the resources to fill in pieces here and there as long as they spend the money intelligently - and with a better GM that is likely.

I have much faith in Jackson, Flaherty, and Szczur though.

1 of those 3 is going to Boston imo.

Very very doubtful. Any of those 3 would be considered "significant", and all sources are reporting no players of that category would be sent over.

Expect it to be a couple of single A guys not named Szczur - guys with very little major league upside.


Maybe its Tawaiin Easterling.

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 Post subject: Re: New Cubs Manager
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Waaaay too much counting on prospects

There is no way all those prospects or even half of them will work out.

No one ever said they all would. I asterisked it with explanations.

But even if i add in FA in all those spots it still seems youre counting on an awful lot of minor leagurs coming thru.

I'm counting on a couple of them coming through...however I have good faith that several with come through. I'd be worried about LaMahieu, Vitters, LaHair, Jay Jackson and Carpenter much more than I'm worried about Brett Jackson, Trey McNutt, Matt Szczur, or Ryan Flaherty.[/quote]



I hope you're right on the latter group although McNutt seems to have injury issues. Hopefully Carpenter can harness that 100 MPH heat.


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 Post subject: Re: New Cubs Manager
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Its not worked out, but its not like it was a terrible deal.


awful deal by all accounts.


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Since Quade has a 2 yr deal as manager, is there any chance Theo decides to just let him go ahead and manage this year and fulfill that contract since he knows this is going to be a long term deal and no way they contend next year regardless of who the manager is?

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Since Quade has a 2 yr deal as manager, is there any chance Theo decides to just let him go ahead and manage this year and fulfill that contract since he knows this is going to be a long term deal and no way they contend next year regardless of who the manager is?


absolutely. it depends on his approach - he may be the type to come in and clean house, but i think your point makes sense.


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Since Quade has a 2 yr deal as manager, is there any chance Theo decides to just let him go ahead and manage this year and fulfill that contract since he knows this is going to be a long term deal and no way they contend next year regardless of who the manager is?

No chance in hell.


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Since Quade has a 2 yr deal as manager, is there any chance Theo decides to just let him go ahead and manage this year and fulfill that contract since he knows this is going to be a long term deal and no way they contend next year regardless of who the manager is?


I think that's possible, and my bigger fear is he and Ricketts allow Zambrano to come back and finish out the last year of his contract. My preference would be for Epstein to clear out all of the garbage regardless of contract status.

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With the Theo hiring, it is a no brainer that Quade will be sent packing. So who's the new manager? My vote is Sandberg. He's earned it and I believe he will be a very good manager and he'll bring positive energy to the fan base. He knows the young talent and will be a long term solution IMO.


Yup. Ryno is a done deal.

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With the Theo hiring, it is a no brainer that Quade will be sent packing. So who's the new manager? My vote is Sandberg. He's earned it and I believe he will be a very good manager and he'll bring positive energy to the fan base. He knows the young talent and will be a long term solution IMO.


Yup. Ryno is a done deal.

Too bad Ventura is off the market

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 Post subject: Re: New Cubs Manager
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Its not worked out, but its not like it was a terrible deal.


awful deal by all accounts.

No its not. Where are you getting this?

The dude was 14-11 with a 440 era and pitched 215 innings in 2010

Thats not nearly as bad as the stuff you are comparing it to.

Lackey has had one bad year. If he is done, then it will be a bad deal, but he could easily bounce back.

Again: Your main point, that hendry would be labeled the biggest idiot ever is way off. That would be one of Hendry's more prudent signings.


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