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PostPosted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 6:35 pm 
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I wouldn't go that far. I've always thought he was slightly above average, nothing revolutionary just good. If I were ranking gms he'd be 10-12th
You must be a big fan of what he did in the seasons besides 2005 to discount most of his moves as "gambles that all came up aces" and still think he may be a top ten GM.

Dont misrepresent me again.

When I say gambles that came up aces its not discounting anything. Every Gm has to gamble every year. Every player is a gamble to some extent.

Here's the argument.

I believe that most of the players acquired in the off season going in to 05 performed beyond expectations. I mean like 5 or 6 guys.

Whether thats true or not, the credit goes to Kenny. Either he knew who to gamble on or he just got good players.

Jermaine Dye, Scott Podsednik, Jose Contreras*, Cliff Politte, Dustin Hermanson, and A.J. performed better than I expected them to. Maybe I had low expectations, but mine were pretty much in line with what all the experts were saying at the time.


Dye was coming off two mediocre years, Podsednik was coming off a bad slide back year in Mil. Obviously no one knew Hermanson could save 30 games. Politte was out of his mind. The A.J. thing is a little different. I always liked him but he was blackballed that year. I believe he was signed in like february or march...pretty late for an all star catcher.

* I realize Contreras was acquired mid season 04, it was a move for 05



You just got off on your "this is a terrible argument that a bunch of guys got lucky or had career years" argument and went from there.


Now you may say that all championship teams have guys have career years. I believe it is more prevalant with some teams than others.

Its what I call the "Everything coming together" effect. Ya know right time right place for a bunch of players. With teams like the Yankees and Phillies it wasnt as surprising and their players didnt really outperform expectations, with the Giants and the Sox they did.


Like I said, either good gambles by Kenny or shrewd Gming by Kenny. Either way it works out. I just think Kenny had a few more "fliers" work out than most.


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After careful consideration, the Poster of the Day for Tuesday October 25th, 2011 is....




SomeGuy!

It was a tough field. Spark had another strong showing. Hank made his presence felt as well. Others had some good contributions, but you stole the show with this hilarious take on Dan Bernstein's over-the-top Theo Epstein love:

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He's acting like the kid who dreams of being "King of the World",

"Ohhh boy, what would I do if I was king for a day!? I would eat all the candy, and give myself a big allowance and buy a rocket ship and sign executive orders and make a mind control device that would get Theo to be my best-ist friend for ever and ever and ever and then I would buy a moon base and then some lifts for my shoes!"


You didn't have to, but you eventually followed that up with this excellent offering:

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Dan has sounded like a man who is straight up burrito for Theo...it's pathetic to hear a radio personality suck another mans schlong over the radio like this. And yes, he was bad over Dunn and Cutler but not this bad, not this asshole licking bad.


Simply awesome, and I agree with every bit of what you said.

Congratulations SomeGuy! :salut:

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That was really quite a performance today.

Solid choice fella.

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Hank was robbed - nothing topped this today. Nothing. And I like Some Guy's work.

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We really dont have enough of these circlejerk threads on the board.

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We really dont have enough of these circlejerk threads on the board.


Circlejerking is in the passed. This is the knu.


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I'm just glad he was able to luck up and win a World Series. Lucky bastard...

Ive never once used the word luck with Kenny. Its a shame you would fall victim to the Boilermaker Rick Disinformation machine.



Just because you don't use the word luck doesn't mean it isn't insinuated. We've had conversations about the '05 White Sox before. It's cool if you think they were "extrememly fortunate" or however you want to phrase it. I just think there was a bit more skill involved...

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You forgot Frank Thomas.

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Bite your tongue dude. :twisted: That's White Sox Jesus you're messing with.

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Krazy Ivan wrote:
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I'm just glad he was able to luck up and win a World Series. Lucky bastard...

Ive never once used the word luck with Kenny. Its a shame you would fall victim to the Boilermaker Rick Disinformation machine.



Just because you don't use the word luck doesn't mean it isn't insinuated. We've had conversations about the '05 White Sox before. It's cool if you think they were "extrememly fortunate" or however you want to phrase it. I just think there was a bit more skill involved...

Ive never used the word Luck because I didnt mean Luck.

I just think there was more right time right place kind of stuff. It was never intended to take credit from Kenny Williams. No matter how he did it....he did it and thats all that matters.

The only time Ive ever taken credit away from Kenny is when Ranger told me I was crazy to say he's not a top 5 GM. I mean I dont think he is, its fine if you do.

But just because I dont think he's brilliant doesnt mean I think he's bad or that Im bashing the white sox.

Ive had no problem giving the White Sox credit for a lot of things. But it seems like if any Sox fan gets questoned on an opinion like

"Don Cooper is one of the best in the game" or

"Kenny Williams is a top 5 gm for sure"

Its seen as Sox bashing.


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Q.Bovifs wrote:
WERE OR PROBABLY WERE JUICING THAT YEAR:[/size][/b][/color]

Cliff Politte
Aaron Rowand
Joe Crede
Juan Uribe
Scott Podsednik
Jose Contreras
Orlando Hernandez
John Garland
Freddy Garcia
Neal Cotts
Dustin Hermanson
Bobby Jenks


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Top 2 for sure. Maybe Crede. The rest are clean.

But Im just guessing.


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After the last 3 or 4 seasons, who is saying that KW is one of the top 5 GMs in the game?

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After the last 3 or 4 seasons, who is saying that KW is one of the top 5 GMs in the game?

Rongey was going into last off season.


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Shows you how much I listen to Rongey. KW has taken himself out of the top 5 with most of the moves he's made since 2008.

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Shows you how much I listen to Rongey. KW has taken himself out of the top 5 with most of the moves he's made since 2008.

Don't you have to be in something first in order to take yourself out of it?

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Shows you how much I listen to Rongey. KW has taken himself out of the top 5 with most of the moves he's made since 2008.

Don't you have to be in something first in order to take yourself out of it?

Stop bashing the Sox!


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I think with the moves he made say from '03 thru '06 a lot of people would have considered him one of the game's great GMs. '07 and '08 was ok. '09 thru the present has been pretty brutal.

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Poster of the Day for Wednesday October 26, 2011 is:


JORR


He deserves the award for a very funny Shaft song parody based on an interaction with me earlier:


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Rick, right on

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Shut your mouth
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Awesome. :lol:

BTW Sox fans, happy 6th year anniversary!

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:55 pm 
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BTW Sox fans, happy 6th year anniversary!

:cheers:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:11 am 
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I'm easily ahead of the pack today.

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
I'm easily ahead of the pack today.


I will put dish soap in your iced tea.

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I'm easily ahead of the pack today.

Well you're wrong for the third day in a row now but at least you're consistent.

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I'm the only guy that's broken a story all day. Read the board!

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Poster of the day for Thursday October 27th, 2011 (Happy Birthday Mom) was:



Dr. Kenneth Noisewater



You created a great buzz with the story you broke yesterday about LAWHOME's possible future endeavors. It was a very entertaining thread.

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It's gonna take a mighty strong showing to knock Evil J.A.C.K. off stride.

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It's gonna take a mighty strong showing to knock Evil J.A.C.K. off stride.

I don't know that anyone could top the whirlwind of hilarity that J.A.C.K. has unleashed this morning.

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I don't know that anyone could top the whirlwind of hilarity that J.A.C.K. has unleashed this morning.

Perhaps if you posted a picture of your junk.

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I don't know that anyone could top the whirlwind of hilarity that J.A.C.K. has unleashed this morning.

Perhaps if you posted a picture of your junk.

Image

Yeah

Not very funny

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