The last 5-10 mins was great. Shane has completely gone off the deep end. I was hoping that he was gonna kill Dale and dump him in the swamp. Stay outta peoples biz asshole

I also liked that they offed the whole barn full of walkers in front of Hershel. He's pissing me off too. Walkers are too damned dangerous to keep alive.

Sophia being a zombie was a nice twist. I kind of expected them to drag her angle throughout the whole season and find her alive with other survivors. Guess not. I liked that it was Rick that put her down

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"You can kill the revolutionary, but you can't kill the revolution."

Thanks for the link. Kirkman gave away more info than that on Talking Dead last night. I only watched the first 10 minutes before going to bed, but right off the bat he tried to explain the Sofia situation by saying that on the show Hershel said that Otis was the person who was in charge of putting zombies in the barn, but now that he is dead its their job to do it. Kirkman implied that Otis caught Sofia and never had a chance to tell anyone before he died.

I call BS on that explanation for numerous obvious and not so obvious reasons. For one, Otis would've neve been able to wrangle Sofia and put her in the barn by himself. In the comics, they show how the process is done...a couple people go up into the loft and distract the zombies away from the door, then the door is opened and the new zombie is put in the barn. Obviously more than a one person job so even if Otis died there still would've been at least 1 person alive at the farm who helped catch Sofia.

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This is exactly the same thing I was thinking. or Herschel would say: What did she look like? they describe her and the 6 episodes are done in 2.

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Shane has been awesome, and probably the best character of this season. What they have done with his character compared to the comic is 100 times better.

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Agreed.

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He's a dark motherfucker, but he had a point about Rick not being "meant for the world as it is" or something of that nature. I don't think he is completely correct but he has a point and he seems to be (to me at least) the one that will block out the bullshit and keep the group on track or whatnot.

It's like he would be a really bad person in our world but the shooting of Otis, the confrontation at the barn, the thoughts on Rick and Sophia etc are necessary in their world. He's a wild card and a good juxtaposition to Ricks character...Rick knows (at least in my mind) what needs to be done but he is too "good" a person to be able to do it, Shane is his dark side and the one who will do the things Rick won't.

The group needs both of them.

That may be true, but living with nothing but survival as the guiding principal is no different than living as the zombies. If you lose humanity you lose everything.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Which is why they need both and Rick will ultimately remain the leader.

i think the group will split into two..rick takes a small group and shane takes the rest....there has to be thousands of farms/ranches all over the country that are vacant, why not go get their own farm?

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I'm glad you picked up on that, as this is really the underlying theme for any zombie story: the survivors have to take on a mentality similar to that of the zombies in order to thrive.

It is almost as if Rick and Shane are the same character - an introspective, unnamed protagonist - that is personified in two separate people on the show (which is further driven home by a common love interest and doubt regarding the paternity of a child). Kind of like a spy vs. spy thing.

thanks dale

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That would be a very interesting direction. The two farms would, in effect, be two different societies and we would get to see how each evolved.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

That's not true. Shane is all talk because when it came time to step up and lead the group through a truly difficult decision it was Rick, not Shane who stepped up and put a bullet in Sofia's head.

The group does not need Shane at all, Dale is right, in the long run Shane is nothing but a detriment to the survival of the group...as I'm sure we'll start to see in February.

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The exact opposite is true. You cannot take on the mentality of the zombies to thrive. You may to survive but thriving will requires more complexity of thought.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

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here is what kinda bothers me...ok so sophia was obviously in contact with zombies..starving zombies who kill a horse and otis' fat ass and only take a little peck out of her neck?..there should be nothing left but shoes...the half zombies with no limbs would also be easy prey and be eaten quickly.

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Death isn't instantaneous, she could have been bitten and able to escape only to die and reanimate shortly thereafter.

possible i suppose, highly unlikely....

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Good point. However wouldn't you say that individuals like Shane are necessary in order to get to that point?

You need people like Shane, definitely, to get the tough stuff done and to have no conscience. He can do things, bad things and be able to rationalize them and take the mental heat off of everyone else. Rick is there to be the true leader, the conscience and the "good guy" to keep every-ones humanity in tact.

Shane and Rick keep the group alive and keep the group sane and human in different ways.

Yes. Shane in control would be like having the military in control of a country.

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

They could make it analogous to Sparta and Athens. This isn't going to happen

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

shane ran the group well before rick was around...shane beat that hillbillies ass for beating his old lady and kept the group alive and well.

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Yeah but that was a different Shane.

That guy was still trying to be the de facto husband/father to Lori and Carl.

He didn't get edgier and more violent until Rick showed up.

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yeah, Shane did a great job keeping the group in a wooded area with only a string of tin cans as lookout.

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Shane is your classic 2nd banana, your A to B guy. He will keep you alive but that's about it as he lacks vision and wants to keep fucking his best friends wife. As a true 2nd in command or at least a guy who will get his hands dirty he will do what needs to be done and doesn't give a shit what some bitchy fuckheads think about it....fucking shit, keep Carol keep on whining, your kid is a zombie and it's your fault and she should have ate you.

Rick is there to take them to the promised land.

I would make the argument that Shane has been the true leader on the group all along, insofar as doing what is best for the greater good of everyone else. Rick appears to be struggling internally with many issues (his faith, marriage, child, etc.) whereas Shane simply gets shit done.

He kills zombies and still finds time to get laid.

Herschel and Rick are essentially the same type of person. They are attempting to restore order to chaos. Shane on the other hand sees chaos as order.

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true..but shane did one thing better..he kept the group inline and together and safe..they have lost alot of people since rick started calling shots..shane did not want to keep looking for that little girl..he knew she was dead..shane did not want to go get merle..that was a mistake and people died.

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