It is currently Thu Nov 28, 2024 8:32 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 120 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:44 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:12 pm
Posts: 17980
pizza_Place: 6 characters
What are the chances of getting a James Harden away from OKC? Are he, Westbrook and Durant all still on their rookie contracts?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:45 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:08 am
Posts: 14018
Location: Underneath the Grace of Timothy Richard Tebow
pizza_Place: ------
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
What are the chances of getting a James Harden away from OKC? Are he, Westbrook and Durant all still on their rookie contracts?

You would be more likely to pry away Thabo

_________________
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rpb is wrong. Phil McCracken is useful.

Chus wrote:
RPB is right. You suck. :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:50 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72380
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Phil McCracken wrote:
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
What are the chances of getting a James Harden away from OKC? Are he, Westbrook and Durant all still on their rookie contracts?

You would be more likely to pry away Thabo

I'm guessing that's because you're less likely to want Thabo.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:59 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:08 am
Posts: 14018
Location: Underneath the Grace of Timothy Richard Tebow
pizza_Place: ------
FavreFan wrote:
Phil McCracken wrote:
Ugueth Will Shiv You wrote:
What are the chances of getting a James Harden away from OKC? Are he, Westbrook and Durant all still on their rookie contracts?

You would be more likely to pry away Thabo

I'm guessing that's because you're less likely to want Thabo.

You don't want a 2 guard that can't shoot 3's or dribble?

_________________
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rpb is wrong. Phil McCracken is useful.

Chus wrote:
RPB is right. You suck. :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:33 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 43579
Meh, just let him walk...

Quote:
Source: Bulls eyeing Derrick Rose deal

CHICAGO -- The Chicago Bulls' "top priority" during Wednesday morning's initial contact period between teams and agents will be to set up the framework of Derrick Rose's contract extension, according to a league source.

Rose, whose rookie contract is up after this season, became the youngest MVP in NBA history last season while leading the Bulls to a regular-season-best 62 wins. He is expected to receive a max extension when the time comes, although no formal offers can be made or signed until Dec. 9, according to an NBA memo issued to all teams Tuesday night.

No matter when he officially signs, Rose is due for a mammoth raise from his rookie contract, based upon a new wrinkle to the collective bargaining agreement, which is expected to be ratified at some point in the next few days.

"The Derrick Rose Rule," as it's being called around the league, rewards players of Rose's caliber by enabling a player finishing his rookie contract to make 30 percent of a team's salary cap -- up from 25 percent -- if he's been voted an All-Star starter twice, made two All-NBA teams or won an MVP award.

"It's unbelievable," Rose recently told CSNChicago.com. "But the rule, I guess, it fits me for what I've achieved at a young age and hopefully there will be a couple more people like me."

Once the new CBA is ratified, it's likely Rose will sign a five-year extension for upwards of $100 million.

Once the Bulls have the framework of Rose's new deal in place, their next order of business will be to see if they can upgrade at shooting guard. They will look at all options and aren't expected to make a decision on Keith Bogans' contract option for at least a few days.

Bogans started all 82 games a year ago, averaging four points and two rebounds per game.

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:36 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72380
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Durant's deal was what, 6 years/$85 million? That's the precedent. Done.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:54 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:49 pm
Posts: 7806
Location: Permanent hiatus
pizza_Place: Ban me
Douchebag wrote:
Meh, just let him walk...

Quote:
Source: Bulls eyeing Derrick Rose deal

CHICAGO -- The Chicago Bulls' "top priority" during Wednesday morning's initial contact period between teams and agents will be to set up the framework of Derrick Rose's contract extension, according to a league source.

Rose, whose rookie contract is up after this season, became the youngest MVP in NBA history last season while leading the Bulls to a regular-season-best 62 wins. He is expected to receive a max extension when the time comes, although no formal offers can be made or signed until Dec. 9, according to an NBA memo issued to all teams Tuesday night.

No matter when he officially signs, Rose is due for a mammoth raise from his rookie contract, based upon a new wrinkle to the collective bargaining agreement, which is expected to be ratified at some point in the next few days.

"The Derrick Rose Rule," as it's being called around the league, rewards players of Rose's caliber by enabling a player finishing his rookie contract to make 30 percent of a team's salary cap -- up from 25 percent -- if he's been voted an All-Star starter twice, made two All-NBA teams or won an MVP award.

"It's unbelievable," Rose recently told CSNChicago.com. "But the rule, I guess, it fits me for what I've achieved at a young age and hopefully there will be a couple more people like me."

Once the new CBA is ratified, it's likely Rose will sign a five-year extension for upwards of $100 million.

Once the Bulls have the framework of Rose's new deal in place, their next order of business will be to see if they can upgrade at shooting guard. They will look at all options and aren't expected to make a decision on Keith Bogans' contract option for at least a few days.

Bogans started all 82 games a year ago, averaging four points and two rebounds per game.


Agreed. The Derrick Rose rule is going to take up a lot of cap space. Let's see if he's a real team player and leaves some money on the table like Tim Duncan has done.

_________________
spanky wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
In the grand SCEME (not scope, Dumbass) pf things

Awesome.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:56 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 43579
I wasn't really being serious. The guy is the franchise for the next decade. He's going to get paid. Now's not the time to get the hometown discount. That could maybe come on the next contract, but this is Rose's first big-money deal.

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:57 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:49 pm
Posts: 7806
Location: Permanent hiatus
pizza_Place: Ban me
Douchebag wrote:
I wasn't really being serious. The guy is the franchise for the next decade. He's going to get paid. Now's not the time to get the hometown discount. That could maybe come on the next contract, but this is Rose's first big-money deal.


I thought that was clear. Neither was I.

_________________
spanky wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
In the grand SCEME (not scope, Dumbass) pf things

Awesome.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm
Posts: 57247
Did Hova just say to let D Rose walk? :shock:

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."


Frank Coztansa wrote:
I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:58 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 43579
RFDC wrote:
Did Hova just say to let D Rose walk? :shock:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:59 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:49 pm
Posts: 7806
Location: Permanent hiatus
pizza_Place: Ban me
RFDC wrote:
Did Hova just say to let D Rose walk? :shock:


:lol: It's good to see what you guys really think about me.

_________________
spanky wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
In the grand SCEME (not scope, Dumbass) pf things

Awesome.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:01 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun May 11, 2008 4:11 pm
Posts: 57247
HOVA wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Did Hova just say to let D Rose walk? :shock:


:lol: It's good to see what you guys really think about me.


Your bitterness over the whole Beasley thing not working out is getting out of control :wink:

_________________
"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."


Frank Coztansa wrote:
I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:03 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:49 pm
Posts: 7806
Location: Permanent hiatus
pizza_Place: Ban me
RFDC wrote:
HOVA wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Did Hova just say to let D Rose walk? :shock:


:lol: It's good to see what you guys really think about me.


Your bitterness over the whole Beasley thing not working out is getting out of control :wink:


Isn't he available after this season?

_________________
spanky wrote:
Elmhurst Steve wrote:
In the grand SCEME (not scope, Dumbass) pf things

Awesome.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:09 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72380
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
HOVA wrote:
RFDC wrote:

Your bitterness over the whole Beasley thing not working out is getting out of control :wink:


Isn't he available after this season?

Nope. Under contract with the Betty Ford Center for three more years at max money.

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:11 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:12 pm
Posts: 17980
pizza_Place: 6 characters
FavreFan wrote:
HOVA wrote:
RFDC wrote:

Your bitterness over the whole Beasley thing not working out is getting out of control :wink:


Isn't he available after this season?

Nope. Under contract with the Betty Ford Center for three more years at max money.


:lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:53 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:02 pm
Posts: 11735
pizza_Place: Angelo's Pizza in Downers Grove
Nick Young? No, thank you.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:03 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 11, 2006 2:55 pm
Posts: 3392
If the Bulls were to add a decent shooting guard they would probably be in the mix again. If Rose was able to play better against the Heat the Bulls probably win the series.

_________________
To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:07 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 43579
Mini Ditka wrote:
If Rose was able to play better against the Heat the Bulls probably win the series.

That's true, on Rose's bad ankle, they were still in almost every game in that series. If anyone else could have knocked down a shot here or there, they could've won.

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:15 pm 
Offline
1000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:12 pm
Posts: 17980
pizza_Place: 6 characters
If the Bulls would have scored more points than their opponents in a game at least four times, they would have won the series.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:50 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Jun 29, 2007 11:17 am
Posts: 72380
Location: Palatine
pizza_Place: Lou Malnatis
Big Chicagoan wrote:
Nick Young? No, thank you.

Why not?

_________________
Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:36 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:18 pm
Posts: 1055
Uhh...Joe Johnson may be amnestied.

Please and thank you!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:40 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:03 pm
Posts: 43579
ChgoSportsFreak wrote:
Uhh...Joe Johnson may be amnestied.

Please and thank you!

There's no chance Atlanta eats $100+ Million. I know they can spread it out over a long period of time, but there's just no way any team would eat that money.

Maybe they amnesty him in a few years down the line, but there's no way financially they could do that now. Teams can save the amnesty for anytime during the 10 year CBA.

_________________
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:46 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Apr 30, 2005 4:54 am
Posts: 22704
pizza_Place: A few...
Keeping Score wrote:
I think you have to sign D Rose.


Agreed, KS. I also am anti-cancer.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:55 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:02 pm
Posts: 11735
pizza_Place: Angelo's Pizza in Downers Grove
FavreFan wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
Nick Young? No, thank you.

Why not?


Because he sucks -- likes to shoot, but not efficiently. Doesn't play defense, pass, or rebound. He's a quick Kyle Korver.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:54 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:18 pm
Posts: 1055
Douchebag wrote:
ChgoSportsFreak wrote:
Uhh...Joe Johnson may be amnestied.

Please and thank you!

There's no chance Atlanta eats $100+ Million. I know they can spread it out over a long period of time, but there's just no way any team would eat that money.

Maybe they amnesty him in a few years down the line, but there's no way financially they could do that now. Teams can save the amnesty for anytime during the 10 year CBA.


I have to do more research on the Amnesty Clause of the CBA. I've read it two ways:

1. Once the player has been declared amnestied he is an unrestricted free agent, the current team pays the remainder of the contract and the player is free to sign with any other team for whatever amount.

2. Once the player has been declared amnestied he is put in a 'waiver pool' with the teams that are under the cap and then the pool of teams under the cap bid on the percentage they will pay of the contract. Then the team amnesting only pays the rest of what the new team is not picking up.

Either of these correct? Parts of both?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:11 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:02 pm
Posts: 11735
pizza_Place: Angelo's Pizza in Downers Grove
If the Heat were to "amnesty" Lebron, could they then re-sign him for the league minimum, thus clearing tons of cap room?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:16 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:18 pm
Posts: 1055
Big Chicagoan wrote:
If the Heat were to "amnesty" Lebron, could they then re-sign him for the league minimum, thus clearing tons of cap room?


That's what I didn't know and what makes me think there has to be more to it that the number 1 option above. In my research this is what I found to be the easiest to understand:

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011/11/28/revised-amnesty-clause-raises-questions/

Quote:
We’ve all been obsessing for months over the new amnesty rule, which will allow each team to cut one player currently under contract and have that player’s salary (which the team must still pay) vanish from its salary-cap number. Teams will be able to use amnesty once over the course of the new collective bargaining agreement.

The rule comes loaded with moral issues: Why should teams that signed or acquired overpaid, non-productive players be rewarded with a get-out-of-jail free card, especially since the new, harsh luxury-tax penalties won’t come into effect until the 2013-14 season, giving teams two years to prepare? And wouldn’t the rule be unfair to teams that have kept their cap sheets clean for this crop of free agents? They might face more competition as rivals shed salary, and players who end up as amnesty cuts might view such teams as unappealing destinations, since such players could sign minimum-level deals with glamorous contenders.

The league has tried to fix that last issue by creating a waiver process for players cut via amnesty, according to the details of the league’s proposal. The net result is that teams under the cap will have the first shot at any amnesty victims, preventing those players from flocking to contenders over the cap (the Lakers, Mavericks, Celtics, Spurs, Magic, Bulls and even the Grizzlies). Here’s a slightly simplified version of how it will work:

• Say the Trail Blazers use their amnesty provision on Brandon Roy, who is set to make $15 million this season and $69 million over the four years left on his contract. Releasing Roy would not take the Blazers under the cap — a reason they might wait — but it would take them under the dollar-for-dollar luxury-tax line.

• When we first contemplated amnesty, we thought Roy would then be a free agent, able to sign with any team. Fans of contending teams salivated over picking up quality veterans on minimum salaries — cheap contracts they’d be willing to take, since their old team would still be paying their full salary.

But this is not what will happen. Instead, Roy would be placed into a hybrid waiver market open only to teams under the salary cap. Those teams would then submit bids detailing how much of Roy’s $15 million salary they’d like to pay. The highest bidder gets him; Roy has no choice in the matter. The winning team will pay only the money it offered in its bid, with Portland paying the rest. So, if the Hornets, desperate for a shooting guard and able to get under the cap if they lose David West, bid $4 million for Roy and win, the Blazers would be on the hook for the remaining $11 million.

As you can see, the system prevents players from joining contenders on the cheap and from earning two salaries at once — at least, if someone under the cap claims them.

The list of teams under the cap includes a bunch of bad teams with little use for tainted veteran talent (the Raptors, Wizards, Kings and Bobcats); one team with massive cap room and an interesting young nucleus (the Pacers); one crazy revenue-generator with an even better young nucleus (the Clippers); one club angling for bigger things (the Nets); and a few interesting wild cards that could go in a variety of directions (the Rockets, Pistons, Warriors and Nuggets). Would those teams want one of the possible amnesty candidates — Roy, Travis Outlaw, Baron Davis, Gilbert Arenas, Rashard Lewis, Brendan Haywood, DeSagana Diop, Marvin Williams and others?

Your first instinct is to say “no” — that a rebuilding team or an up-and-coming bunch does not need to spend money on players like these. But some are good players, which is easy to forget. Take Lewis, a guy the Wizards may not actually cut via amnesty, given that they have to stay above the new, higher minimum-salary floor: Lewis’ contract has become a punch line, but he is a useful player who improved defensively playing under Stan Van Gundy. Lewis is a “stretch” power forward with legitimate three-point range and an efficient post game he can use against smaller defenders.

Or what about Davis, a possible backup point guard for the Warriors and Clippers as they try to push for a bottom-tier Western Conference playoff spot? Or even Outlaw, a younger stretch power forward who can swing to small forward and has to play better than he did last season?

Depending on future plans, you could see a team under the cap grabbing one of these players on the cheap to help now and serve as a trade chip later.

But here are two major questions the league, per several sources, hasn’t answered yet:

1. Would the team acquiring such a player have to sign him to a contract that runs for the same length as his old one? In other words: Could you acquire Roy via waiver for one season, or would you have to sign him to a four-year deal that parallels his Portland contract? Lewis has two years (including this one) left on his deal. Arenas has three. This is an important question.

2. Would these contracts count as “new” for the purposes of the “stretch” exception, which will allow teams to waive players they sign once the league resumes business and “stretch” the cap hit out into the future? The idea behind the “stretch” rule is to make it easier for teams to part with non-performing players, so that a team could waive a guy with two years left on his deal and stretch the cap hit over five seasons, softening the immediate blow.

But are these waiver/amnesty contracts “new”? If a team is “forced” to sign Roy for four years, can it waive him after the first one (if he performs poorly) and stretch the payments out over seven seasons? Or do these deals count as “old,” since they are linked to pre-existing contracts?

It will be hard to make predictions about amnesty until we know all of this stuff, but the general manager quoted in this New York Times story is probably right: I’d be surprised if we saw more than a half-dozen guys change teams this season via amnesty, and the number could be much lower. Teams might choose to wait on amnesty if using the clause won’t provide immediate cap room (as is the case in Portland with Roy and Dallas with Haywood), and especially since the new luxury tax doesn’t kick in for two seasons. It’s easy to say Dallas should just slice away Haywood’s bloated deal, but why not keep him for now as Tyson Chandler’s backup and potential injury insurance? And as I’ve noted before, some teams just don’t have a quality amnesty candidate, and others (such as the Hawks) may not be in a place financially to pay someone tens of millions for nothing.

There’s a good chance amnesty won’t provide the immediate excitement fans have been anticipating, but it will still be fascinating to watch this process play out.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:00 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:10 pm
Posts: 9673
Location: Schaumpton
pizza_Place: Piece Pizza and Brewery
RT @realtuffjuice: In route to the windy city now ......#1step



Caron Butler.

_________________
Team Cutler.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Roster Moves
PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:04 am 
Offline
1000 CLUB
User avatar

Joined: Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:12 pm
Posts: 17980
pizza_Place: 6 characters
Just saw an update that the Bulls are "aggresively pursuing Dwight Howard."


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 120 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 8 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group