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PostPosted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:41 pm 
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Huh.

Well just going by the stats....LeMahieu has the best numbers. Kind of wanted to see what he could do.


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Huh.

Well just going by the stats....LeMahieu has the best numbers. Kind of wanted to see what he could do.


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Not the most consequential move of the day, but I like the Cubs' side of the trade with Colorado.

I hope he's right. This move looks odd to me. All first and second round picks at some point.

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DALLAS — In their continued effort to shake up the roster, the Rockies traded two former first-round picks — third baseman Ian Stewart and pitcher Casey Weathers — to the Chicago Cubs on Thursday.
The Rockies got back infielder DJ LeMahieu and outfielder Tyler Colvin from Chicago.
LeMahieu, 23, will compete for the starting second base job in spring training and also has big league experience at third base. In the minors last season, he hit .286 for the Triple-A Iowa Cubs.
Colvin, 26, who hit 20 home runs two seasons ago, can play all three outfield positions and will experiment a first base as well.
"We're continuing to look for the right pieces," general manager Dan O'Dowd said.

Colvin had a miserable 2011, hitting .150 in 206 at-bats. Stewart fell out of favor after an awful 2011 season. He went homerless in 142 plate appearances and struggled with knee, hamstring and wrist injuries.
The Rockies believe they were better off providing Stewart with a change of scenery rather than giving him another shot at the third base job.
Weathers struggled this season in AA Tulsa and has not been able to gain traction since undergoing elbow surgery. He still throws 97 MPH, but his lack of command makes him a project.

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I don't think DJ has a very high ceiling. Utility infielders are not what you build teams around. There is no point in wasting anymore time with Colvin so good bye to him. Both him and Stewart were shit last year but I would rather have a good stewart than a good Colvin.

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I can already here the Colvin calls....."Dey should have never traded dat kid, he didn't get a shot"


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Peoria Matt wrote:
I can already here the Colvin calls....."Dey should have never traded dat kid, he didn't get a shot"


I can hear those calls for any decision made on anything. Not just in sports. It's simply stunning how many stupid people exist. Especially the people that react with no real knowledge.

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Like it.

Ian Stewart: Former 10th overall pick entering the prime age (26) coming off a down year and buying low.

This is prudent right now.


Now go get Morales


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Like it.

Ian Stewart: Former 10th overall pick entering the prime age (26) coming off a down year and buying low.

This is prudent right now.


Now go get Morales


Now you're talking.


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Looks like the classic buy low move. Hope it works out.


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Damn that's a lot to give up for two bust outs. Stewart was givin every chance to win the 3B job in Colorado and he couldn't do it. Colvin has never had a real chance. I can't believe they traded my guy DJ.


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Colvin and Stewart are the same guy basically, so maybe a change of scenery can be good for each of them.

DJ is a utility guy that might be valuable at some point, but I would rather have pitching.

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Damn that's a lot to give up for two bust outs. Stewart was givin every chance to win the 3B job in Colorado and he couldn't do it. Colvin has never had a real chance. I can't believe they traded my guy DJ.

Colvin was screwed by Quade and Hendry's inability to peddle Fukudome earlier. The guy had some real power and I would not count him out. We'll see on Stewart. He had a couple good years, does bat LH and is a 3B, so I'd say a good gamble. DJ was simply a role player. The reliever they got may be good if the can get his mechanics in order. Big time arm 97 MPH.


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So who plays Third if Stewart repeats last years performance?


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Colvin and Stewart are the same guy basically, so maybe a change of scenery can be good for each of them.


not really. stewart can actually play a position in the field effectively. but the hole in stewarts swing may actually be bigger than the one in colvins. so much for on-base percentage guys and sabremetrics.


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I really like the trade. It's a no risk move with some nice possible upside.

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I really like the trade. It's a no risk move with some nice possible upside.

i agree. i know that the rockies gave stewart several opportunities last year to take that position, but the guy flat-out could NOT hit. he can rake at AAA though, so the Iowa Cubs fans should be excited.


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Northside_Dan wrote:
I really like the trade. It's a no risk move with some nice possible upside.

i agree. i know that the rockies gave stewart several opportunities last year to take that position, but the guy flat-out could NOT hit. he can rake at AAA though, so the Iowa Cubs fans should be excited.

He had a wrist injury. The previous two years he put up decent numbers.

And as far as "so much for sabermetrics" there are defensive sabermetrics too MOFO. I know you know that. Also, his OPB seems to have a large gap from his BA in his decent years. Maybe they like that.

Colvin has baltimore oriole who occassionally hits for power but never anything else written all over him.


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So who plays Third if Stewart repeats last years performance?

Right now, Blake DeWitt who is brutal with the glove. I'm sure they will sign one or two guys who can provide some depth.


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man of few opinions wrote:
Northside_Dan wrote:
I really like the trade. It's a no risk move with some nice possible upside.

i agree. i know that the rockies gave stewart several opportunities last year to take that position, but the guy flat-out could NOT hit. he can rake at AAA though, so the Iowa Cubs fans should be excited.

He had a wrist injury. The previous two years he put up decent numbers.

And as far as "so much for sabermetrics" there are defensive sabermetrics too MOFO. I know you know that. Also, his OPB seems to have a large gap from his BA in his decent years. Maybe they like that.

Colvin has baltimore oriole who occassionally hits for power but never anything else written all over him.

I guess the wrist injury was late in the year, so he just sucked badly last year. The previous 2 years were decent (10) to good (09) though, so...


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im not against the deal, but the guy hit .256 and .228 with a ton of strikeouts. i dont look at this trade as anything more than both teams look to catch lightening in a bottle with the whole "change of scenery" angle.


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If Stewart truly sucks a few months into the season, the season will most definitely have been lost at that point. Might as well test Vetters in the majors, regardless of what he had done through the minors.

Agreed.


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Tyler Colvin can't play 3rd Base. Stewart can. That is the reason for the deal. They are basically the same player otherwise.


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The previous 2 years were decent (10) to good (09) though, so...


if those 2 years are considered good and decent for stewart, then i miss ramirez already, and his 2010 was TERRIBLE.


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im not against the deal, but the guy hit .256 and .228 with a ton of strikeouts. i dont look at this trade as anything more than both teams look to catch lightening in a bottle with the whole "change of scenery" angle.

Yep, two 1st round busts for a 1st round bust and a decent utility guy.


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The previous 2 years were decent (10) to good (09) though, so...


if those 2 years are considered good and decent for stewart, then i miss ramirez already, and his 2010 was TERRIBLE.

ARam had to go. To much cash, virtually no production in the cold weather.


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If Stewart truly sucks a few months into the season, the season will most definitely have been lost at that point. Might as well test Vetters in the majors, regardless of what he had done through the minors.

It is a golden opportunity for Vitters to make the team out of spring training. Given the team will suck, might as well see what the guy can do as a backup 3B, 1B, OF type. He'll probably start the year at AAA for contract purposes however.


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Damn that's a lot to give up for two bust outs. Stewart was givin every chance to win the 3B job in Colorado and he couldn't do it. Colvin has never had a real chance. I can't believe they traded my guy DJ.

Colvin was screwed by Quade and Hendry's inability to peddle Fukudome earlier. The guy had some real power and I would not count him out. We'll see on Stewart. He had a couple good years, does bat LH and is a 3B, so I'd say a good gamble. DJ was simply a role player. The reliever they got may be good if the can get his mechanics in order. Big time arm 97 MPH.

Colvin was given a TON of chances but never could capitalize because he stopped being good after almost dying

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If Stewart truly sucks a few months into the season, the season will most definitely have been lost at that point. Might as well test Vetters in the majors, regardless of what he had done through the minors.

It is a golden opportunity for Vitters to make the team out of spring training. Given the team will suck, might as well see what the guy can do as a backup 3B, 1B, OF type. He'll probably start the year at AAA for contract purposes however.

I'd like Vitters to start out in AAA. Don't throw him into the fire...you traded for Stewart, give Stewart a few months...let him play a bit at Wrigley when it warms up as well. He is the guy.

BUT if he truly bombs, then you look at Vitters and only Vitters for the remaining couple of months of the season. I don't want Vitters getting only partial at bats if he is in the majors, we don't need another Colvin situation back to back.

You know what all this means......BLAKE DEWITT TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I think Vitters will be traded at some point. Can't play defense, can't take pitches, can't take a walk, can't hit for power. Doesn't sound like a Theo guy.


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