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NSJ

Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:01 am

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cpguy wrote:

No word on the prospects yet. Physicals are today from what I read so we may know today.

That's my point. How could he think the Cubs could have "gotten more" when we don't know who is included. If the Reds gave up Hamilton, I'll be pissed. I've watched him play many games and the guy is a stud. He steals second and third almost every time he's on base and his hitting improved dramatically from the beginning of last season to the end.

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312player

Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:04 am

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travis wood and two prospects...marshall was maybe the best lefty in the pen in the n.l. and he has been great for 2 plus years now..travis wood blows, he is a 5th starter in the n.l...the cubs already have that guy in randy wells..i would have thought marshall could get you a good young starter that has shown things in the bigs..not a aa or aaa prospect who may very likely never amount to anything.

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Keyser Soze

Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:04 am

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I've read the prospects are P Daniel Corcino and OF Yorman Rodriguez. Obviously not confirmed.

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cpguy

Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:06 am

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NSJ wrote:

cpguy wrote:

No word on the prospects yet. Physicals are today from what I read so we may know today.

I've said that we better get some good prospects so I'm withholding judgement. We'll know soon enough. I can't see Theo giving up Marshall for a below market package.

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Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:16 am

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I'm going to do what I do with everything else. There are people here that clearly think there's a better pull, labeled under the current term of "fair market package". I do like that term. It makes me say if you'll pardon the expression. What is a "fair market package" (snickering at package) for Sean Marshall? Specifics, not just mythical packages. see Angelo

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:22 am

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Out for a late night Troll, JORR?

Dont compare Epstein to Hawkins or any other stretch to fit your narrative of Cub fans.

Your fellow fans still think Javy Vazquez was terrible. At least Hawkins really was bad here.

No trolling. cpguy is a fucking moron who doesn't know shit about baseball. He should shut the fuck up and let men discuss it.

But I do strongly suspect that there will be a very short North side honeymoon with Epstein. You've seen how the fast the fans turn. That's isn't a narrative I'm inventing.

And yeah, some goofs think that giving away Swisher and Vazquez for nothing was really smart. Ozzie Guillen first among them.

I think the fans turning fast is a big market thing not a cub thing.

But fine, Id probably agree the honeymoon will be short...as it should be. Remember were not all Bernstein's talking up Theo the magic jew.

cpguy wrote:

Go find an Asshole Contest Message Board.

They have those?

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Rod

Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:27 am

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cpguy wrote:

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

cpguy wrote:

And no one gives a shit about your stupid stories.

Keep it - and stick it.

Do you really want to get into with me, jerk-off? I hope you are, at a minimum, intelligent enough to realize how that will go for you.

Asshole? I'm the asshole? The vast majority of your posting here is baiting White Sox fans. And not in a friendly ball-busting way like bigfan, but in the douchiest possible manner. So why don't you "keep it"?

For the most part, I overlooked your nasty White Sox bullshit for a long time. You're that type of Cub fan. Fine. There are plenty of others like you. And plenty of dumbass Sox fans going the other way. But now you're posting stupid Cub thoughts. It should be more than any baseball fan in this forum- or any other- wants to read.

Finally, don't kill yourself because I'm eminently more interesting than you. I'm more interesting than a lot of people.

So you are more interesting than a lot of people? WHO THE FUCK CARES? Get a fucking life ASSHOLE! As to baiting White Sox fans, the bottom line is the franchise is in the toilet and Uncle Jerry seems content to not make the changes needed in management to allow the organization to recover. And have I pointed that out? Yes I have. If that pisses you off, well to fucking bad.

And I have no desire to "get into it" with you because I have much better things to do ASSHOLE.

So have fun on this message board baiting people. I hope that puts a smile on that sorry ass mug of yours.

Seek some help buddy.

Asshole? Did you call me an asshole? That hurts me very deeply. Now tell me something I didn't know. Of course, I'm an asshole. The difference between you and me is that I'm an asshole on purpose. You are an asshole apparently without realizing that fact.

When you start threads entitled, "Are the White Sox now the Shittiest Organization is [sic] Baseball"- and that was clearly a statement rather than a question- your audience is left with only two choices. We can conclude you are a moron for making such an outlandish statement or we can decide you are an asshole simply trying to provoke others with a ridiculous thread.

I chose to give you the benefit of the doubt and called you a moron. However, if you are willing to admit to being an asshole, we can stipulate that things are even and call it a day.

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Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 10:29 am

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:

You're that type of Cub fan.

... that's the most damning thing i read in that post there, i tell you what.

without choosing sides here, i've said it before and i said it again, whenever i see the name "cpguy" i always think that cp = "cheese pizza", aka child pornography. i guess i've spent too much time on 4chan in my life, eh? [insert a righteous imu17 looking down @ me from his high horse HERE]

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Phil McCracken

Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:29 am

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NSJ wrote:

cpguy wrote:

No word on the prospects yet. Physicals are today from what I read so we may know today.

We already have Tony Campana

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enigma

Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:31 pm

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While I like the idea of this move, buy low, sell high, not sure how much you are going to get for a set up guy.

I don't think closers are highly valued on the trade market, Sox traded a closer and got back just one prospect. Not sure what you can get out of a set up man.

I guess Wood and 2 lower level prospects (Single A).

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RFDC

Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:34 pm

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Keyser Soze wrote:

I've read the prospects are P Daniel Corcino and OF Yorman Rodriguez. Obviously not confirmed.

If Corcino is in the deal then this is definitely a good trade for the Cubs.

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Phil McCracken

Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 12:38 pm

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RFDC wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:

I've read the prospects are P Daniel Corcino and OF Yorman Rodriguez. Obviously not confirmed.

If Corcino is in the deal then this is definitely a good trade for the Cubs.

The toothless guy from the Hawks? Yeah why not.

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NSJ

Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:09 pm

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RFDC wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:

I've read the prospects are P Daniel Corcino and OF Yorman Rodriguez. Obviously not confirmed.

If Corcino is in the deal then this is definitely a good trade for the Cubs.

Agreed. I've seen him pitch several games and he has excellent stuff (albeit in "A" ball). He's one of the Reds top pitching prospects.

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Phil McCracken

Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:52 pm

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cagemyelephant wrote:

HOVA wrote:

I was always a huge fan of Marshall's (Matt Murton too) and never understood why the Cubs never gave him a fair shake as a starter.

correct...what makes them think that Travis Wood is a better starter than Marshall can be?

Whats up with all of the new posters with terrible syntax and capitalization?

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Phil McCracken

Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:57 pm

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cagemyelephant wrote:

Peoria Matt wrote:

I like it. Time to get what you can for the guys with some tradeability.

as long as you get what u need in return...that was not the case in this trade

it's easy to sit back and say , "sure, go ahead, marshall isnt a closer or top-flight starter, no big deal", but think about it....u need a #5 starter (which Wood projects to be at the most at this point), Marshall can be that guy for you...plus, u traded away the best LH setup man in the NL, and he has a rubber arm...not the type of guy who will have a great year and have arm problems the next....the Cubs undervalued him

doesnt sound like a terrible loss right now, especially since we're trusting everything Theo is doing right now, but in 2 or 3 years, we will be clamoring for a LH setup man

typical Cubs, they never know what they have until it's gone

getting 3 guys for him sounds like a steal, but those 2 minor-leaguers will just be replacements for the dummies we will send to Boston, nothing more

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Big Chicagoan

Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:43 am

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Dave Sappelt and Ronald Torreyes are the prospects

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Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:47 am

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Big Chicagoan wrote:

Dave Sappelt and Ronald Torreyes are the prospects

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minor ... ppel001dav

Looks like the Cubs are getting some grindy grinders from Grindy Town.

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Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:48 am

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http://www.baseball-reference.com/minor ... rrey001ron

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Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:55 am

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good deal i think.

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Big Chicagoan

Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 10:57 am

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Both guys look like they can really hit in the Minors. Sappelt didn't do much last year with the Reds ML team, but small sample. Would like to see some sort of power numbers, though.

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rogers park bryan

Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:01 am

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cagemyelephant wrote:

Peoria Matt wrote:

I like it. Time to get what you can for the guys with some tradeability.

Projecting set up men three years in advance? Thats pretty ridiculous

Marshall is overrated by fans like you.

if he was truly a good starter he would have FORCED his way into the rotation.

He's decent, nothing more.

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RFDC

Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:10 am

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Ronald Torreyes, 2nd: His 5’9″ build does limit his overall ceiling for a lot of teams. Even so, he has a legitimate contact-oriented bat, with very solid pop considering his size. On top of that, his speed is another useful skill that may or may not be a factor as he ages. If he is forced off the 2nd base position, the 19 year old could still possibly find a home in center.

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Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:44 am

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i like marshall..think he is a premiere set up man in the majors..has good stuff and great control..i think he would have made a good starter but just because the cubs did not see it through does not mean that he did not have the ability..the cubs have not won shit in over a century, they continually make awful decisions so it could just be another bad decision by not making marshall a starter....you can keep torreyes who will never amount to anything at the big league level..this was a bad trade.the cubs could have gotten more, they could have just waited to move him in june or july...and travis wood is a bum..a 5th starter at best.

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Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:48 am

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I hope you smoked that joint before siphoning gasoline and not after.

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8675309 wrote:

I hope you smoked that joint before siphoning gasoline and not after.

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Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:50 am

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Marshall was a reliever. He wasn't even a closer. He will be a free agent next year (the Cubs could sign him back). The Cubs got three players for him.

No matter how much you like Marshall or think he is a great setup man, the Cubs did well to get the package they did for him. And they can sign him back next year when they may need him.

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RFDC

Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:51 am

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Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein
Real comment: That's more than I expected the Cubs would get.

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Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:51 am

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312player wrote:

Yeah but my point is he was there so long, if he was really a good starter he would have shown it. It would have been obvious.

He did get some oppurtunites

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Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

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Big Chicagoan wrote:

And that's not even speaking to the relative unpredictability of relievers on a year to year basis. I know Marshall was good last year but thats no guarantee of future results especially as far as a lefty reliever goes. We sold high and got 3 prospects back for a lefty reliever......I hope this is the first of many moves gutting this shitty baseball team.

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Post subject: Re: Marshall Traded

Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 11:54 am

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joints? burn too fast..glass or vaporizer or a blunt..what do you disagree specifically?..i thought they pulled the plug quick on marshall starting because they needed bullpen help...if marshall stays healthy and he could get hurt..he has been overworked the last 3 years...you will look back and say bad trade

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