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Bryan,
A) 44 years old. It was a great experience to do the SCORE search contest.
B) North did not pull ratings for years, while he was paired up with Dan Jiggets. After their break up-which many have said was orchestrated by North, his numbers took a dive. Once his head got too big for the station his ratings took a drop. In fact, when he took over the morning show from Murph and Fred, he did not pull numbers near what they had. In fact, Murph and Fred had the highest rated morning show on the station. They consistently beat "Mike and Mike in the Morning" while North could not do that.

As for my comment about guys busting their tails to make it to the big leagues-and I should have clarified this-I meant guys who are doing minor league ball or lower market major league teams. I think Dave Wills would love to come back to Chicago to do Sox games. There are many who would love the chance and who would probably do a great job. The curiosity that will come with North's appearance in the booth will be short-lived once people hear the ear-bleeding radio he will produce.

Cronyism exists in all facets of the business world. I just find it interesting that in a case like this with North's recent poor track record, that both Reinsdorf and the Score would agree to let him in the booth. It's moves like this that set broadcating back 50 years.


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When the hell did this happen?

Ranger has to be the most pissed about this. Think about it. He told CSFMB that he wants to be a "play by play" guy. He's been a good soldier and a company man for the Sox. He protected the White Sox brand despite the fact that he sounds like an idiot doing so. He's tried to ingratiate himself to Sox higher ups. Always very respectful and polite to all that mattered in the Sox organization. What did it get him in the end? Jerry Reinsdorf still has no idea who the hell he is and they end up hiring a guy that has made racist/anti-semitic comments and was business partners with a convicted felon. :lol:

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Pretty slick by North. Back doored his way back to the Score through Reinsdorf. I heard Berntein once say that the announcers are paid by the team, but the Score are in the decision process for the booth hires. Bullshit. Mitch has no say.

As far as how the hosts handle it: Goff will cue up North's dumb ass comments for B&B. They will be met with silence or an occasional "oy" from Bernstein. They won't do much more than that. McNeil might have North as a weekly guest. The other backups won't say shit cuz North will try to bury them. North can't touch B&B but the lesser people at the Score still have to be afraid of his pull. Despite being pissed, the good soldier Ranger will laugh at North's dumb jokes and pretend to like him when they interact on the air. He still has to play that game. He still wants to advance.

It's funny. Larry and Bernstein were talking about webio one day and Larry insinuated that North deserves to be in jail. Larry will go back to kissing North's ass not that he's back. We all know that. It's what he is. Kiss 'em when they're important. Kick 'em when they're down. Typical spineless weezle.


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I still cannot believe this is actually going to happen. What a fucking farce of a broadcast.


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Nobody really gives a shit about DJ. I've never heard anybody say they like him. Still, you feel a little bad for him. A black man being replaced by a racist.:lol: Only the White Sox. Only the White Sox.


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If this is all true I also feel bad for Rongey. The guy did fill-in play-by-play, hosts pre and post game (the latter of which makes him take calls from the stupid and do the best he can to make it sound like their opinion matters) and seems to really do his homework on the Sox and the league as a whole. The guy does good work and to not be rewarded for it is just ridiculous.


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He won't make it out of Spring Training.

I can see it now...................after Danks gives up a 5 run inning......

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Wait until he has to do the play-by-play. That will be a mess and then some. So much for guys busting their tails to try and get to the big leagues who are more qualified than this guy.

This is just another example of people getting work in this industry thanks to who they know and not what they know. Sure that is what happens in any business, but when you have had successive failures and have become a laughing stock in an industry in which people tie personalities to the product, one would think that regardless of who you know you probably will not get hired.

As a Sox fan I have been disgusted by what they have done regarding their radio broadcasts. Farmer is possibly the worst play-by-play man I've ever heard (having listened to games for over 40 years, both Cubs and Sox), and Darrin Jackson was just a terrible fit. The two had no chemistry and were not an enjoyable listen.

Now, if the rumors are correct, you bring North into the booth. Reinsdorf is very loyal to his friends and it seems evident to me that North, somehow, falls into that category. This would be a slap in the face to any Sox fan who listens to the radio. His inability to communicate (in other words, have a command of the English language) in this medium is astounding. The man falls over his words constantly and has a need to be the center of attention. He contradicts himself almost regularly and his uneducated and uninformed opinions turn off listeners rather than bring people to the station. This is another example of the ownership treating this third major market team like some sort of small market entity. Two words: train wreck.

This hire also tells me that the club is desperate to do something to attract attention. The hiring of Ventura is beyond a head-scratcher and the dumping of players like Santos and Buehrle (with possibly more to come in the way of Quentin and Thornton) makes me think Reinsdorf has pulled the white flag from several years ago back out. Maybe the thought is that what happens in the booth will divert the attention of people from the problems that exist on the field.

I'll be interested in seeing how WSCR management tells their on-air staff how they have to conduct themselves in light of this situation. Will they be allowed to not only take shots at the team, but will they be able to criticize North as they see fit. I'm wondering if they will tell them that the broadcasts are "hands-off" and cannot be talked about. I wonder if this will go into the "who ya crappin" segment because you know there will be a line of callers just itching to take their shots.


Who the hell are you to rip Mike North? I mean you are certainly free to speak your mind, but as a guy who wants to break into the sports broadcasting business you should be able to acknowledge & recognize North as the most influential sports talk show host in the history of Chicago. You are old enough to remember when he ruled this town, right?

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Laughingstock. Hmm. I've heard that before. However, Chip is correct. North in the booth will be a nightmare, yet appt. radio. By the way, has anyone confirmed this rumor? Right now it's Spada and two board members.

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Scorehead,
There can not be a bigger fan of Mike North than me. I loved the guy for years. I met him in person and his wife. They were both very nice. When Mike had his TV show at Basta Pasta,I once bought about 20-30 seats for my wife's 40 birthday the day he was taping a show. He had my wife stand up and said "Happy Birthday" while he was on TV. He also yelled at her for standing too long. It was great. Kind of hard for me to ever really hate the guy. Maybe being older,I understand his "racist" humor. He has admitted on the air,his love for a Don Rickles. THAT"S where those comments come from. Since joining this website,other peoples venom has gotten into my veins. I see the sins of a Mike North. He has made one dumbass decision after another. The guy keeps fighting though. I have to admire that,just like Deniro said in Raging Bull: "Did you fuck my wife?"


No wait,wrong quote,I meant: "You never knocked me down,Ray"
That describes North, He may be out,but never "knocked down".

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chip egan wrote:
Bryan,
A) 44 years old. It was a great experience to do the SCORE search contest.
B) North did not pull ratings for years, while he was paired up with Dan Jiggets. After their break up-which many have said was orchestrated by North, his numbers took a dive. Once his head got too big for the station his ratings took a drop. In fact, when he took over the morning show from Murph and Fred, he did not pull numbers near what they had. In fact, Murph and Fred had the highest rated morning show on the station. They consistently beat "Mike and Mike in the Morning" while North could not do that.

As for my comment about guys busting their tails to make it to the big leagues-and I should have clarified this-I meant guys who are doing minor league ball or lower market major league teams. I think Dave Wills would love to come back to Chicago to do Sox games. There are many who would love the chance and who would probably do a great job. The curiosity that will come with North's appearance in the booth will be short-lived once people hear the ear-bleeding radio he will produce.

Cronyism exists in all facets of the business world. I just find it interesting that in a case like this with North's recent poor track record, that both Reinsdorf and the Score would agree to let him in the booth. It's moves like this that set broadcating back 50 years.

Cool...

Your original post made it seem like North was never successful ever. That was my issue.


Cronyism exists. We all just have to navigate around it. Dave Wills is a friend of a friend and he's doing just fine in Tampa.

If it wasnt North it would have been another unqualified EX player.

I understand it still sucks though


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It's going to be a white elephant thing...his name will never be mentioned, except in passing.


Yesterday in transition,LoHo and Danny talked about 24 minutes about the 20 year reunion,not once mentioning the "original" guys.


I heard that. You would have thought that the station was changing the world with the way they were patting themselves on the back for lasting for 20 years. Bernstein also mentioned that the station has transitioned and is now for the smarter fan. I found that interesting, as if he had no clue about this North rumor unless he disconnects the White Sox announcing team from the actual shows on the station.


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BD wrote:
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It's going to be a white elephant thing...his name will never be mentioned, except in passing.


Yesterday in transition,LoHo and Danny talked about 24 minutes about the 20 year reunion,not once mentioning the "original" guys.


I heard that. You would have thought that the station was changing the world with the way they were patting themselves on the back for lasting for 20 years. Bernstein also mentioned that the station has transitioned and is now for the smarter fan. I found that interesting, as if he had no clue about this North rumor unless he disconnects the White Sox announcing team from the actual shows on the station.


Indeed, that's some pretty timely irony for the 'smarter fan' WSCR.


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I still cannot believe this is actually going to happen. What a fucking farce of a broadcast.


Agreed. It's going to be pretty brutal, and North isn't there to be great at calling a game. He's there to be entertaining, and he stopped being that many years ago. How long before North gets bored trying to describe the game and takes the game off the tracks, talking about his dinner plans?

I'm not sure why people keep giving him jobs. He must be the best salesperson in this market.


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oh my god, please please please please please let this be true! as a fan of entropy how could i live without this awesomeness in my life? GIVE ME THE CHRISTMAS PRESENT I TRULY DESERVE!!

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To Q. Bovis and Scorehead,

Who I am is a Sox fan and consumer of their product. While I respect your opinion regarding Mike North and your being entertained by him, I think I represent the majority of people who find him to be bad at what he does. His time has come and gone. Yes, he was a big deal in the sports industry here in Chicago....20 years ago. His ego got the best of him and it cost him. He could not beat "Mike and Mike in the Morning" in the ratings (something that both Murph and Fred as well as Mully and Hanley have done), his two tv ventures (Comcast and Channel 2) were failures, and, lest we forget, there was that debacle that was webio that cost some good people not only their jobs but their reputations. If he is as important and talented as you seem to think he is then how come he could not land a full-time gig at ESPN radio or other sports outlet? It was obvious during his radio and tv stints that he saw himself as someone who could talk more than just sports. How did that pan out? If was good at what he did they why didn't WLS or WGN pick him up? He was on the outs regarding sports broadcasting in this town. He had to buy the time on Comcast to get on and that failed miserably.

I give him credit for hustling and giving himself chance after chance. His continued efforts to get back into doing something he enjoys should be admired. But, it doesn't mean he is good at what he does. He is not the only one. This market is filled with recycled talent that are not good at what they do. The reasons for their continued work in this market are their friendships with others in the business and the mere fact that they worked in the market. His schtick worked back when the SCORE started, but it has long since wore thin.


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This market is filled with recycled talent that are not good at what they do.

Chet. I'd take Chet a thousand times before MN.

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This market is filled with recycled talent that are not good at what they do.

Chet. I'd take Chet a thousand times before MN.


Me too. Whether you like him or not, Chet is a professional broadcaster who preceded the era of the drunk and ignorant host rolling into the studio straight from Jilly's and reading shit out of the newspapers. When you listen to a Chet show, it sounds as if he spent at least several hours preparing for it, lining up guests, and putting together an agenda for the show.

Mac is an interesting guy who was obviously influenced by both schools- the polished professionalism and glad-handing of his early mentor Chet, and the off-the-cuff, seat-of-your-pants, just start talking style of guys like North and Dahl.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:35 am 
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Wait until he has to do the play-by-play. That will be a mess and then some. So much for guys busting their tails to try and get to the big leagues who are more qualified than this guy.

This is just another example of people getting work in this industry thanks to who they know and not what they know. Sure that is what happens in any business, but when you have had successive failures and have become a laughing stock in an industry in which people tie personalities to the product, one would think that regardless of who you know you probably will not get hired.

As a Sox fan I have been disgusted by what they have done regarding their radio broadcasts. Farmer is possibly the worst play-by-play man I've ever heard (having listened to games for over 40 years, both Cubs and Sox), and Darrin Jackson was just a terrible fit. The two had no chemistry and were not an enjoyable listen.

Now, if the rumors are correct, you bring North into the booth. Reinsdorf is very loyal to his friends and it seems evident to me that North, somehow, falls into that category. This would be a slap in the face to any Sox fan who listens to the radio. His inability to communicate (in other words, have a command of the English language) in this medium is astounding. The man falls over his words constantly and has a need to be the center of attention. He contradicts himself almost regularly and his uneducated and uninformed opinions turn off listeners rather than bring people to the station. This is another example of the ownership treating this third major market team like some sort of small market entity. Two words: train wreck.

This hire also tells me that the club is desperate to do something to attract attention. The hiring of Ventura is beyond a head-scratcher and the dumping of players like Santos and Buehrle (with possibly more to come in the way of Quentin and Thornton) makes me think Reinsdorf has pulled the white flag from several years ago back out. Maybe the thought is that what happens in the booth will divert the attention of people from the problems that exist on the field.

I'll be interested in seeing how WSCR management tells their on-air staff how they have to conduct themselves in light of this situation. Will they be allowed to not only take shots at the team, but will they be able to criticize North as they see fit. I'm wondering if they will tell them that the broadcasts are "hands-off" and cannot be talked about. I wonder if this will go into the "who ya crappin" segment because you know there will be a line of callers just itching to take their shots.


Who the hell are you to rip Mike North? I mean you are certainly free to speak your mind, but as a guy who wants to break into the sports broadcasting business you should be able to acknowledge & recognize North as the most influential sports talk show host in the history of Chicago. You are old enough to remember when he ruled this town, right?

Who the hell are you to be dictating what other people opinions should be?


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To Q. Bovis and Scorehead,

Who I am is a Sox fan and consumer of their product. While I respect your opinion regarding Mike North and your being entertained by him, I think I represent the majority of people who find him to be bad at what he does. His time has come and gone. Yes, he was a big deal in the sports industry here in Chicago....20 years ago. His ego got the best of him and it cost him. He could not beat "Mike and Mike in the Morning" in the ratings (something that both Murph and Fred as well as Mully and Hanley have done), his two tv ventures (Comcast and Channel 2) were failures, and, lest we forget, there was that debacle that was webio that cost some good people not only their jobs but their reputations. If he is as important and talented as you seem to think he is then how come he could not land a full-time gig at ESPN radio or other sports outlet? It was obvious during his radio and tv stints that he saw himself as someone who could talk more than just sports. How did that pan out? If was good at what he did they why didn't WLS or WGN pick him up? He was on the outs regarding sports broadcasting in this town. He had to buy the time on Comcast to get on and that failed miserably.

I give him credit for hustling and giving himself chance after chance. His continued efforts to get back into doing something he enjoys should be admired. But, it doesn't mean he is good at what he does. He is not the only one. This market is filled with recycled talent that are not good at what they do. The reasons for their continued work in this market are their friendships with others in the business and the mere fact that they worked in the market. His schtick worked back when the SCORE started, but it has long since wore thin.

Nice writing Chip. Just realize that the more you use logic and make sense, the more Scorehead will just personally attack your credibility. Keep up the good work.


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Baby McNown, thank you for the kind words. I do appreciate all opinions and love the back and forth that goes on here on the board. I try to make sure that I support what I write with some facts. Debates are great and enjoy getting involved in issues like this. I have no hard feelings to anyone on the board and I hope the feeling is mutual.

Joe and Darkside, I do agree that you can get guys like Mac and Chet (both facebook friends) back in the fold, but I see them more as the exceptions to the rule. I think television and radio as an industry is filled with people who get chance after chance despite not producing. I have my opinions on some of the people working in the town-both news and sports-and, frankly, I think a number of them should not be working in the number 3 market. Chet pointed out some in his last book where he rated the ten worst sports personalities in Chicago. Some I agreed with, some I didn't. I just think that a market this size deserves people who are at the top of their profession. This is not a training ground, yet there are some still here who, in my opinion, are not worthy of being in the top 20 markets.


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Baby McNown, thank you for the kind words. I do appreciate all opinions and love the back and forth that goes on here on the board. I try to make sure that I support what I write with some facts. Debates are great and enjoy getting involved in issues like this. I have no hard feelings to anyone on the board and I hope the feeling is mutual.

Joe and Darkside, I do agree that you can get guys like Mac and Chet (both facebook friends) back in the fold, but I see them more as the exceptions to the rule. I think television and radio as an industry is filled with people who get chance after chance despite not producing. I have my opinions on some of the people working in the town-both news and sports-and, frankly, I think a number of them should not be working in the number 3 market. Chet pointed out some in his last book where he rated the ten worst sports personalities in Chicago. Some I agreed with, some I didn't. I just think that a market this size deserves people who are at the top of their profession. This is not a training ground, yet there are some still here who, in my opinion, are not worthy of being in the top 20 markets.
Do you agree with his thoughts on Bernstein?

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haven't asked or looked, has anyone said this is official?

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haven't asked or looked, has anyone said this is official?


I don't think so. In fact, there have been some posts here (DJ's contract status, report from Ed Sherman) that suggest it isn't going to happen. I can't really imagine him doing the game broadcast. Now, if you said Rongey was going to be taking more regular fill-in shifts and North was taking over the Sox postgame, well, that seems more plausible.

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Over on the chicagoland radio and media board, the information being brought out is that he is not going to replace DJ. Rather, he will be part of their web content like HawkTV.

Zippy, what's interesting about Chet's take on Bernsy is that I think there is a part of the pot calling the kettle black. I have always enjoyed Chet but he also carried a certain amount of arrogance about himself that did put people off. I remember him not wanting caller interaction on his shows because it revolved around his guests and his thoughts. When having to take the calls, however, Chet did respect their thoughts and did not trounce on them the way Bernsy does. Dan does come off as the smartest man in the room and I think his "enjoyment" in taking calls comes from his love of being able to hammer the stupid. Sadly, there have been a number of times-as documented on this board-where he has just cut off or dismissed callers with good thoughts that went against his line of thought. I think he is very knowledgeable and versatile as a broadcaster. I could see him doing a non-sports talk format. However, I do agree with some of Chet's assessments of him. His abrassiveness and desire to amuse himself regarding callers does tend to turn me off.


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