you could do much worse than him. However, he is approaching a decade on the job. It is rare for even the best coaches to make it that long with the same team.

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People need to stop saying this!!!! IT'S MAKING ME ANGRY!!!!

good? no..decent ? yes..

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6-7 in CFSMB terms

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Well,it's true, sorry.

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Which part? The objective evidence bears (arf!) out my statements.

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Bingo.

To many holes in his coaching "game" for him to be considered anything more then above average.

I don't think he is good. Maybe decent but I really can't stand him anymore. Lots of excuses, some might be valid, but too many.

decent=good=above average=6-7

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Lovie seems to be a better than average coach, but this point is largely irrelevant given today's developments.

If you are going to fire your GM, you should also fire your coach.

The new GM must be given free rein to hire "his guy."

Forcing the new GM to retain an old coach is a backwards way of running an organization--kind of like a chairman of the board saying he doesn't want to put his personal stamp on an organization, but just wants to support and assist the president/CEO.

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Is he really above average?

I just don't see why the team would fall over backwards to keep him. Let him stay on until you hire a GM. If the GM likes him, he can stay. If not, he is gone. How much longer do the Bears think he should be in the organization anyway?

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If average is construed as .500, then yes, he is.

But above average isn't good enough in my view.

Lovie should be gone.

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phillips should have been gone first, he hired these turds..he was hired to build a new stadium and he failed..the stadium blows it is hideous....he let lovie get an extension last year another huge failure.

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You're hilarious

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Is that all we're going by overall record? It always seems like there is somebody else to blame. They make playoffs a third of the time or so and it's not consistent why.

He is ok. Could probably do better and definitely do worse than Lovie.

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I'm going by record and talent.

Lovie has attained an above average record while working with below average talent. To me, that makes him a pretty good coach.

But pretty good isn't good enough.

Another problem is that he has played an influential role in determining the team's draft picks. So it's not just Angelo's fault that the Bears have acquired subpar talent in recent years. And that's another reason he should be jettisoned.

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It might not be so bad that the GM has to keep Lovie for at least one year. By the time the Bears are done with the GM search, all of the good coaching canidates this year will be gone. So you give the GM one year with Lovie and he can get his coach next year if he wants.

Who's really out there this year? Fisher and that's about it. Gruden is staying at ESPN and Cowher at CBS. I don't think much of Gruden anyway.

There are always good coaching candidates available--if you hire a GM who possesses the vision to see through the comforting mirage that is conventional wisdom.

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That's true. I would like to know how many GMs decline to interview with the Bears because they're forced to keep Lovie. If the Bears lose their top choice because of this it's pathetic. We'll never get this info from our media cuz they suck. Maybe some national guy will have this.

Then again, Teddy is picking the GM. I don't trust him doing it anyway. His top choice might be a dumb one anyway. What's going to have to happen is Teddy just lucks into the right guy. It won't be because he knows how to pick one.

I'd bet he's better than anyone the Bears would hire if they fired him.

I wonder if he'll be using a search firm this time around since that approach worked so well a decade ago.

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Gary on the muscle...

Keep the WR's in front of the secondary, MLB needs to be able to drop into coverage....drop 6 or 7 on all passing downs, make teams beat you, take the ball away from other teams.

Great recipe for beating the majority of teams every year. Let them make the mistakes, let them not execute....

BUT

This recipe does not beat the really good teams! The good teams know what you do and drop short passes all day and get into the red zone and beat you.

The 2 games this year v Detroit and Philly, they played man coverage and got in the faces of the WR's for the first time I can remember, maybe even Lovie saw that a change was needed?

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Another reason to fire Lovie is drafting philosophy. What's the point of having the new GM draft for Lovie's defensive and offensive systems if he is going to be replaced after one or two years? Because the Bears have decided to undertake their rebuilding process in phases rather than in one sweeping move, this year's draft must be regarded as a failure before it even begins.

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Exactly right. Now the Bears are in the same situation they were a couple of years ago with a lame duck head coach trying to recruit an offensive coordinator. That didn't go so well the last time. Next year will be Lovies last year as head coach of the Chicago Bears. Whoever the new GM is will fire him after next season. Potential OC's know this & will be reluctant to take a job where the guy that hired them will be gone in 1 year. The Bears missed a perfect opportunity to fire Jerry, Lovie & Martz, then hire a GM & let him hire a head coach & OC. In typical fashion, the Bears have things twisted & backward. They should just give the OC job to Tice for a year & then the new GM can re-organize & re-staff next year.

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That's a pretty funny semantics argument even by csfmb standards.

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Lovie's talent as a coach isn't the issue. He is obviously a very good coach. His record is really good here. He'd have his choice of jobs yearly if the Bears fired him.

The problem is:
1) The Bears need to get the best GM possible, and the best GM possible likely won't be a guy that fits in exactly with what Lovie wants to do. In fact, some GM's are going to avoid the Bears specifically because they can't bring in the coach of their choosing without waiting at least a year. This is made even worse by the fact that the Bears seem to want to find a GM that fits with Lovie. If I'm a GM and in an interview I'm asked about what I think of Lovie and if I can work with him I'm walking out. Lovie is going to be the de facto GM.
2) He's been here a long time, and there comes a point where a new direction is needed for both parties. If a coach is winning Super Bowls then you extend it further but there is a reason that even good coaches don't stay in the same job for 15 to 30 years.

Lovie should be celebrated for what he did in Chicago, and the only reason he should be fired is because it's what is best for the organization because when you are starting fresh you need to actually start fresh. This is just like the Bears to only make a few tough decisions and avoid the complete but correct thing.

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Yet another reason Lovie should be fired is that he is completely incompetent in the area of offensive football, which the NFL seems to emphasize to a greater degree with each passing year. Lovie's first selection for offensive coordinator, Terry Shea, was a complete disaster. Lovie has appeared to learn nothing about the offensive game since firing Shea, as the scale of Martz's failure mirrors Shea's. In between Shea and Martz, Bears fance were forced to consume the phlegmatic offensive system of Ron Turner, who completed a football shit sandwich that should thoroughly discredit the head coach that built it.

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