Agreed.

Zambrano 125-81 .607

Buehrle 161-119 .575

Career WAR:

Mark Buehrle- 45.9

Carlos Zambrano- 31.3

I was just baiting after your predictably biased comment.

Ask someone to explain to you why using a career cummalitive stat doesnt work when comparing guys who started years apart

In fact, Ill do it for you

Removing the two years Buehrle started before Zambrano became a starter and beggning in 2003 the numbers look like this:

Buehrle: 36.2
Zambrano : 31.5

Pretty close, certainly not as open/shut as you presented it.

If you need any other help understanding baseball stats, let me know

Career suspension and DL time

Zambrano: a lot

Buerhle; none

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Yeah, If you twisted my arm Id probably go with Buehrle over the long haul but its just not as open and shut as Kenny Soze presented it.


Zambrano has definitely suffered because of his craziness

Pretty close don't count.

Buehrle > Zambrano.

Done.

Im just glad we taught you how to apply Career WAR.

A good thing came out of your ridiculous statement.

Win percentage is a much better stat. Oh wait you were just baiting into a losing argument.

Never been there. That was pretty amusing. Best I could tell our guy was 6 hours ahead of them. The Rosenthal retweet hit at like 4:40 PM. BigFan Breaking News Center (BFBNC) could be a thing in 2012.

At least I understand the stat I was using.

As usual, your ignorance was and still is on display for all to see.

I did not lose anything. I never said Zambrano was better. I just posted a stat to prove that it wasnt as clear cut as you made it sound.

So as usual Im right and you're wrong due to your White Sox blinders. It pretty much always goes that way.


Then I made your argument for you because you dont understand even the most basic of advanced statistics.

No, its pretty damn clear cut.

This is THE perfect example of where stats don't tell the whole story. Somebody who has never seen either pitch and is just looking at stats might be inclined to take Zambrano. Better win%, better strikeout%, etc.

But those of us who have seen both players over years know what's up. Any smart baseball guy would take the guy who will take the ball every 5th day, compete and put up decent to solid numbers all the while being a fan favorite and the consummate professional in the clubhouse and on the field, over the guy who will throw a tantrum and cost his team games/runs by his antics on the field, further hurt his team by doing things to get suspended, and being a cancer in the clubhouse as well.

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Nope.

Sorry but my definition of pretty damn clear cut requires having better numbers.

if you have to type out two paragraphs making a case outside the numbers....its it NOT clear cut.


If you disagree, thats cool.

The eye test is in play with your car. It looks like shit.

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Do Zambrano's teams have a better winning percentage than Buehrle's?

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Who has more 20 strikeout games? That's what really matters.

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Derrek Lee career WAR: 31.1

Prince Fielder career War: 24.1


Lee is the better player clearly

This post was sent from Kenny Williams bushes /\

So you are saying that Derrek Lee has better numbers than Price Fielder?

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Buehrle is by far a much better pitcher than Zambrano is. I don't even see it being close. Zambrano peaked hard and is currently dropping off hard. After 2007 he couldn't turn in 200 innings. Buhrle is always turns in 200+, every damn year. He's not punching his catcher. He's not breaking bats over his knee or going all out in BP and risking injury. He shuts the fuck up and throws the damn ball.

Also W/L's and thusly winning % is a terrible stat by which to judge a pitcher, in my opinion.

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Uh...no Frank

That was sarcastic. Career WAR of a player who has been around longer being higher means nothing.

Only a complete idiot who doesnt understand baseball would attempt to make such a claim.


Fielder's numbers are better.

Sounds like some of it is personal with Zambrano

Winning pct is definitely better than Career WAR though.


I think Wins gets a bad rap. Its not perfect obviously but Ive yet to see a great pitcher who doesnt end up with a great winning pct

Agreed. Which is why its unfair to guys like Bert Blyleven that such stats are used against him. ERA is better and in Buerhle's case having a career ERA under 4, in the AL, where he starts 15 or so games a year in a bandbox, that is pretty damn clear cut.

But as far as that first part of that post, well I mean if you have to type out a whole paragraph making a case outside the numbers.........

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Nice signature RPB.

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Same could be said of taking Zambrano over Buehrle.

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Im sorry that we disagree on the how much better of a pitcher Buehrle is than Zambrano.

Dont take it so hard

Which no one has said. So there's that.

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No Frank, it couldnt

See, now you are gonna start losing credibility.


One guy used a stat that is competely useless and cant be used in any way to determine the subject.

The other guy just thinks the difference in two pitchers is not as much.


Can you please look at this objectively?

BTW, who said Zambrano was better?

It's not personal to me. It's part of his personality. It has a lot to do with the quality of pitcher. Buehrle's leadership qualities vs. Zambrano's whatever you call it is a part of the equation.

I wouldn't compare pitchers from different seasons on Career WAR. That's why I didn't do it.
Wins is a very misleading stat in my opinion. Although great pitchers on bad teams (ahem Greg Maddux on the Cubs) still manage to squeak out 19 or 20 win seasons so your statement does hold some water.

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