This.

He took half his family to Italy. It's a really nice and generous move. Why does everyone know?

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North should be asked about the time he showed for a charity event for 5k and left after 20 minutes and kept all the money, even though he promised to stay for the 3 hour event. North sold the guys who left the score on Webio and Hernandez, he was the lead, he didn't do his due diligence on DH, that's on him and Bebe.

Those who left are all adults, fine, but they were sold a lie and I agree with Tim, North had to know DH history, he had to and that makes North no better then the guy sitting in jail right now.

But he DID show to the event right?



You mean he didnt do THEIR due dilligence for them.

They should have looked into Hernandez themselves. And the fact they were sold an idea by Mike Fucking North, a guy who has had bad idea after bad idea THAT THEY ALL KNEW ABOUT is 100% on them.

20 minutes for 5k, the agreement was to stay for the 3 hours, he failed, to me that is theft.

Yes, THEIR due diligence, my bad, but pappy was the seasoned all star, "don't worry about it, I checked him out" is what I have been told by two of the people impacted by this.

Pappy is who he is, I hope he makes millions till the day he kicks off, but the fact doesn't change, he is a liar, one person calling him that is one thing hearing it from many to me makes its the truth.

So a guy known for dumb ideas says "Dont worry about it, I checked him out" and you bet your job that he's right?


How about taking responsibility?

And dont give me "Yes, I should have looked into it more but Mike said______"

THere is no Mike said.

Webio guy didnt do his homework and got fucked

That they all went along with such a known con man/scheme runner makes it even worse.

This is exactly how I see it. Tim Bock admits he Googled Hernandez himself and read some shady shit. Well, why didn't he do it beforehand? And these guys knew who North was- one of the world's greatest con men. They didn't care. The guys doing the whining are the ones who had the least to lose. They had worked in radio before. Did they ever see the extravagances that North and Hernandez were providing at the beginning? Did they ever think, "this is too good to be true"? No, they didn't. They ate those steaks though and snatched that gas money. And when it blew up as it obviously had to, they pointed fingers.

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Not to mention North went down with them.

The way people talk its as if North made out on Webio

And good point about googling Hernandez AFTER it happened.


If Mike North using only Google to check out Hernandez is the dumbest thing ever, as its been portrayed here, then where does "Not even googling him" rank?

or even better "Not googling him because Mike North said he's legit...."


I want to be clear here too. Im not saying these guys are dumb. I mean when offered a job, one's first thought is not gonna be "This guy might be a crook" Hernandez is a professional. It could happen to anyone. But its not someone else's fault.

These guys were all unhappy to some degree with their situation so they took a High Risk/High Reward chance. It happens in most industries.


And when the high risk comes in, like it usually does (thats why its high risk) people always have a plethora of reasons/injustices why it didnt work out.

Yep, I would have to agree with you.

It's the old saying "no risk,no reward"

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Never said that. May want to re-read.

I also took responsibility for my choice. Actually worked out better for me in the long run. I couldn't keep doing what I was doing in terms of hours/money for much longer and still be married. It gave me a chance for a fresh start and decent money/hours so I took it. Otherwise I would have had to leave the Score at some point anyway. I liked it there, but was working two full-time jobs basically to make enough money to warrant me working there. Was also working on getting a weekly MMA show started at the Score at the time, but when that fell through at the last minute, there was nothing holding me back. I talked to many of my friends at the Score at the time, and just about all of them said that even though they didn't like/trust North, it was too good of an opportunity to pass up.

I took my share of the blame, just think North should as well, considering he was "part-owner" and was the one selling us on the idea and giving us contract figures, etc. In my mind anyway, there's virtually no way that North didn't know his "good friend" from the neighborhood had been in jail before for fraud. I just don't believe that for a second. Mike didn't care because he wasn't really risking anything himself. If it made money, he'd make money. If Webio lost money, oh well, he'd try something else.

I had interned for the old North show when I first started at the Score in 2003, and Mike's recommendation got me a part-time job to begin with. As time moved along, I was Rock's backup on the board for the morning show. I had a good relationship with North that spaned 5 years, and trusted him, not necessarily in a business sense, but at least in the sense that he wouldn't openly burn me. Don't know if that makes sense as it's written, but, I digress...

I was fully aware that the venture could fail, though I obviously didn't see what happened on the horizon. When it all went down, Mike was full of "we have other investors, we'll get this rolling again, etc." Now, I didn't really expect that to happen, and went about my business of looking for another job, but we never heard another word from him again. E-mails were not returned, phone calls were not returned. At some point, a phone call simply saying "I'm sorry it didn't work out, thanks for your work to get us rolling, good luck in the future" would have made a hell of a difference to me. I wasn't looking for another job with him, wouldn't have taken it anyway, but that gesture seemed to be the least he could have done.

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I left a big company to go work for a private small company in the same field.

Never heard of the guy. Had an impressive office when I went to meet with him (Mahogany table!)

Tried to do all the research I could on the guy, but it was very very limited as to what was available. I could not imagine taking a new job without doing homework on the guy or company, especially a startup.

However, in this case, it sure feels like Pappy represented that he was the guy and had the financial backing on top of it. Everyone knew at that time he had made $5-$8 mill over the past 5 years, so his participation alone lends some credit to the guys leaving.

The thing is that Mike knows this and thats where his shame should be.

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Apologies. Someone said that at least one of the Norths was a liar because they Googled Hernandez and bad shit came up right away. I assumed it was you because you were a guy actually touched by that shit. My mistake.

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Everything you write here is reasonable, but one thing I would disagree with is that North wasn't risking anything. His reputation took a huge hit and that's a big deal for a guy whose entire business model is selling himself.

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Sounds like you didn't do your homework either.

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Did Cairo steal your log-in again?

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So Tim, for whom did North buy baby formula and diapers? Everybody wants to know.

You're right, I should clarify that, I meant from a financial standpoint. And during my conversations, I was under the belief that Mike had money invested in the operation, somewhat leading me to trust it a bit more. Found out in the end that wasn't the case.

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I always have an inherent mistrust of everybody. That's the safe way to go through life. That should be the lesson. Not "everybody has a vietnam". I'm sure you loved hearing that, Tim.

I'll explain it in North terms: when a wiseguy vouches for another person to make him "a friend of ours", the wiseguy is held responsible should that guy not work out.

The guy was an owner, his wife was the CEO and he was selling the relationship with Hernandez like crazy. He bears some responsibility.

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I agree. North certainly is responsible. I just don't think it ended up ruining careers like Goff and Larry will have you believe. Everybody landed somewhere except Bock and Weber. As I've said, they weren't going to be big time stars anyway. Bock even said he was gonna have to leave the Score anyway.

If it were you would you pointing fingers at North or kicking yourself for trusting him?

To be honest. It was really no risk to Bock and Weber

Bock - Said he was gonna quit anyway and had a wife pissed at what he was making.

Weber - No wife. No kids. Making no money at the Score. What the hell?

All of the other guys risked ruining their reputation, but they didn't. They all went back to something. There really was no harm to anybody in the end. And they all have an interesting story to tell for the rest of their lives.

And even Jen Jen, though she is now out of media, got a fairly wealthy husband because she knew Mike North. I'm sure if she had to do it all over again she would take this.

Also, both Bock and Weber can look on the Score, see that that drink and Goff are still part time on air people and take some solace in the fact that they wouldn't have advanced anyway. They'd still be backups to the backups. So cheer up guys!!!! It wasn't so bad. Don't get me wrong, North is still a jack ass. You can all continue to hate him.

It's kind of like not getting your bet in on time and the game turns out that you would have lost anyway. Those are considered wins to gamblers.

Semi-related: when that Lake County Fielders thing was starting up, I had done my duly diligent googling early on and tried to warn people about Rich Ehrenreich, but was asked to pretty much keep quiet. So it's not always as cut and dried as "just check google," because sometimes people don't want to ruin The Dream. I can share a story or two via PM if anyone cares.

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She would have found someone through Gibson's. Jen types always find someone.

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I've had similar situations. I'd kick myself for trusting him and be harsh on myself for being not being smarter.

What do the Madoff victims do?

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First of all, they should know if you are getting returns that seem way too good to be true....they are.

Secondly, Madoff is one of the best con men ever. He didnt have a history of shady/dumb ideas when he tried to sell someone.

North was a known clown before Webio happened. They liked what they heard so they ignored who was saying it.

getting into radio is one big ponzi scheme, from the "for profit" schooling through the free interning, low paying decades of engineering before finally getting the miniscule on air pay day

these are gullible people

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She would have tried. But there are way more hustling waitresses shaking their ass for millionaire men than there are millionaire men willing to fall for the hustling waitress. So not everybody gets one by the numbers. Plus Jen wouldn't be in the top half of the best looking waitreses trying this. You also have a small window. Gotta get one between the ages of 19-28 or you never get one. There was no guarentee she would have done it.

Having access to the Blackhawks was the break of her life. She got that cuz of North. So she got her hockey player husband.

Did you know Nick Boynton was the MVP of the 1999 Memorial Cup (major-junior hockey's big coming-out party like March Madness)? I didn't either until last night! Even though he made decent money in the pros, Jen is married to a guy whose life peaked in high school. It's like a Springsteen song writ very, very large.

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