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I'll keep editing this as trades and moves continue to be made. Was finding it hard to keep track of all the changes in my head.

SP Matt Garza
SP Ryan Dempster
SP Randy Wells
SP Chris Volstad
SP Travis Wood
SP Paul Maholm

Obviously, one of these players won't be there. Smart money on Garza.

SP/RP- Jeff Samardizja -Hoyer said he'll start Spring as a Starter, might end up in bullpen
RP- James Russell
RP- John Gaub
RP- Carlos Marmol
RP- Marcos Mateo
RP- Andy Sonnanstine
RP- Manny Corpas

That's 13 pitchers with no moves made, so it's very likely one will be made. Sonnanstine will probably end up in Iowa or be the dreaded long relief guy. Marmol might very well be dealt as well.

C Geovany Soto
1B Bryan LaHair
2B Darwin Barney
SS Starlin Castro
3B Ian Stewart
LF Alfonso Soriano
CF Marlon Byrd
RF David DeJesus

Bench
Blake DeWitt
Reed Johnson
Jeff Baker
Tony Campana
Wellington Castillo

I'm still hoping for a Soriano and/or Byrd trade to make room for Brett Jackson. I also feel that it's likely that one of DeWitt/Baker/Campana won't be part of the bench as it'll be filled by a minors guy, but hard to predict as of right now.


Yea, I know it's ugly.

That teams just screams 70-73 wins.

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Isn't Grabow gone or do we still have one year left on that dogshit contract Hendry gave out?

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Phil McCracken wrote:
Isn't Grabow gone or do we still have one year left on that dogshit contract Hendry gave out?


Oh that's right! I thought he had one more year.

Kerry Wood still seems likely to be there as well. Didn't included him yet

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Northside_Dan wrote:
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Isn't Grabow gone or do we still have one year left on that dogshit contract Hendry gave out?


Oh that's right! I thought he had one more year.

Kerry Wood still seems likely to be there as well. Didn't included him yet

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Hoyer said today that they made a substantial increase in their offer to Wood. Who knows? Either way, it doesn't matter one bit.

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Hoyer said today that they made a substantial increase in their offer to Wood. Who knows? Either way, it doesn't matter one bit.

Do you believe this? The statement pretty much has to be made to appease Cubdom. I doubt the increase was that significant.


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You forgot the great Dave Sappelt. He'll be on this team probably in place of Campana.


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How has Dewitt avoided the axe so far? I see some more changes coming.

Soriano may go however once all hatred and expectations of and for him are put aside he is the only guy who will put up any sort of power or rbi numbers on this team right now for sure. As bad as he may look at some times you at least know what he will probably put up which can not be said for Stewert, Soto or LaHair. He is also probably not bringing you anything back in a trade which brings me to .....

Byrd.... I think Theo will sit on him until an injury occurs or a glaring hole opens up in a contenders outfield and then he can get something decent in return. Hopefully this occurs in or before spring training so Jackson can come up ASAP. He will be gone no later than the deadline though.

I realize Soto is not the biggest butcher behind the plate and that his offensive numbers are decent when healthy but I just don't like him.

As far as the pitchers I really hope that Garza trade nets 3 big Tiger prospects. Marmol needs to go as well. He serves no purpose on this team and will be even worse, super expensive or gone all together by the time this team needs a closer.

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I really hope I'm wrong, but Jackson is not ready. Another half year, at least, in the minors would serve him well. Especially if he's going to come up without a regular spot. The report on him is that he has a great approach, but there's a hole in his swing. That's why he has all the strikeouts. Sound familiar? We don't need to see another prospect ruined.

That said, I would still be up for trading Byrd. I think they could get some nice value back for someone who has zero role in the future. Dewitt has to be hiding in the corner of the clubhouse behind a rat the size of pick. Otherwise, I'm sure he'd be gone.

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How has Dewitt avoided the axe so far? I see some more changes coming.

Soriano may go however once all hatred and expectations of and for him are put aside he is the only guy who will put up any sort of power or rbi numbers on this team right now for sure. As bad as he may look at some times you at least know what he will probably put up which can not be said for Stewert, Soto or LaHair. He is also probably not bringing you anything back in a trade which brings me to .....

Byrd.... I think Theo will sit on him until an injury occurs or a glaring hole opens up in a contenders outfield and then he can get something decent in return. Hopefully this occurs in or before spring training so Jackson can come up ASAP. He will be gone no later than the deadline though.

I realize Soto is not the biggest butcher behind the plate and that his offensive numbers are decent when healthy but I just don't like him.

As far as the pitchers I really hope that Garza trade nets 3 big Tiger prospects. Marmol needs to go as well. He serves no purpose on this team and will be even worse, super expensive or gone all together by the time this team needs a closer.





i like most moves so far..koy hill gone is good news..hope k wood is gone soon..soto is good trade bait and he should be moved. hopefully marmol is moved before the deadline and the rebuilding is in full swing.

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I think they'll wait on Marmol until the trade deadline. If they think he can be fixed, he'd be worth far more in July.

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How has Dewitt avoided the axe so far? I see some more changes coming.

Soriano may go however once all hatred and expectations of and for him are put aside he is the only guy who will put up any sort of power or rbi numbers on this team right now for sure. As bad as he may look at some times you at least know what he will probably put up which can not be said for Stewert, Soto or LaHair. He is also probably not bringing you anything back in a trade which brings me to .....

Byrd.... I think Theo will sit on him until an injury occurs or a glaring hole opens up in a contenders outfield and then he can get something decent in return. Hopefully this occurs in or before spring training so Jackson can come up ASAP. He will be gone no later than the deadline though.

I realize Soto is not the biggest butcher behind the plate and that his offensive numbers are decent when healthy but I just don't like him.

As far as the pitchers I really hope that Garza trade nets 3 big Tiger prospects. Marmol needs to go as well. He serves no purpose on this team and will be even worse, super expensive or gone all together by the time this team needs a closer.





i like most moves so far..koy hill gone is good news..hope k wood is gone soon..soto is good trade bait and he should be moved. hopefully marmol is moved before the deadline and the rebuilding is in full swing.


I love the Koyie Hill pick up by the Cardinals!!

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I think they'll wait on Marmol until the trade deadline. If they think he can be fixed, he'd be worth far more in July.

I totally forgot that Chris Bosio hasn't worked his magic on him yet.

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Drop In wrote:
I think they'll wait on Marmol until the trade deadline. If they think he can be fixed, he'd be worth far more in July.

I totally forgot that Chris Bosio hasn't worked his magic on him yet.


He's got a little Mangino in him. If you'll pardon the expression.

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Drop In wrote:
I think they'll wait on Marmol until the trade deadline. If they think he can be fixed, he'd be worth far more in July.

I totally forgot that Chris Bosio hasn't worked his magic on him yet.

He can't be worse than the mustachio'd weirdo that Sloth was trotting out there

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Phil McCracken wrote:
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I think they'll wait on Marmol until the trade deadline. If they think he can be fixed, he'd be worth far more in July.

I totally forgot that Chris Bosio hasn't worked his magic on him yet.

He can't be worse than the mustachio'd weirdo that Sloth was trotting out there


Mark Riggins did have a hell of a football career though. Can't give all the credit to that Redskins offensive line.

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Remaining Cubs Vets with trade value:

Garza
Dempster
Marmol
Byrd

To a lesser extent:

Wells
Soriano


Wouldn't mind seeing all of them gone.


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Remaining Cubs Vets with trade value:

Garza
Dempster
Marmol
Byrd

To a lesser extent:

Wells
Soriano


Wouldn't mind seeing all of them gone.

I think someone might give you something for Soto....unless you don't consider him a vet. We have the young players and Reed Mantle. I am legitmately excited for this year even though I don't think the Cubs are going to win 80 games. What the hell is wrong with me?

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To be honest I really wouldn't mind Brett Jackson starting in AAA. I'd just like to give him a little more time down there to develop. If a spot opens up on the Cubs via injury or trade, that'd be a good time to bring him up.





that is why i don't like dejesus pick up..jackson should get 500 at bats in the bigs this year

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To be honest I really wouldn't mind Brett Jackson starting in AAA. I'd just like to give him a little more time down there to develop. If a spot opens up on the Cubs via injury or trade, that'd be a good time to bring him up.





that is why i don't like dejesus pick up..jackson should get 500 at bats in the bigs this year

Yeah and even if Jackson comes up then you move Byrd by the deadline and have DeJesus take over his spot and DeJesus and Jackson can play in the outfield together at the same time! Look at that.

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Every player is different. Some guys respond best to learning at the big league level. Others get demoralized and their career never reaches even the lowest expectations (Pie, Patterson to an extent)

I'll trust Theo/Hoyer and the coaches they have in place to figure out what is best.

I tend to want him on the AAA roster to continue to build confidence.

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Phil McCracken wrote:
312player wrote:
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To be honest I really wouldn't mind Brett Jackson starting in AAA. I'd just like to give him a little more time down there to develop. If a spot opens up on the Cubs via injury or trade, that'd be a good time to bring him up.





that is why i don't like dejesus pick up..jackson should get 500 at bats in the bigs this year

Yeah and even if Jackson comes up then you move Byrd by the deadline and have DeJesus take over his spot and DeJesus and Jackson can play in the outfield together at the same time! Look at that.





no shit that could happen..that is the point dummy..don't bring jackson up on august 1st..start the season with him in april on the big league club.

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that is why i don't like dejesus pick up..jackson should get 500 at bats in the bigs this year

Yeah and even if Jackson comes up then you move Byrd by the deadline and have DeJesus take over his spot and DeJesus and Jackson can play in the outfield together at the same time! Look at that.





no shit that could happen..that is the point dummy..don't bring jackson up on august 1st..start the season with him in april on the big league club.

No reason to call me names :viking: Why don't you post as whistler anymore?

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beni hanna wrote:
Northside_Dan wrote:
Hoyer said today that they made a substantial increase in their offer to Wood. Who knows? Either way, it doesn't matter one bit.

Do you believe this? The statement pretty much has to be made to appease Cubdom. I doubt the increase was that significant.


If it was initially 1.5M and then they make it 2.0M that's a substantial increase.

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Every player is different. Some guys respond best to learning at the big league level. Others get demoralized and their career never reaches even the lowest expectations (Pie, Patterson to an extent)

I'll trust Theo/Hoyer and the coaches they have in place to figure out what is best.

I tend to want him on the AAA roster to continue to build confidence.





do you think pie or patterson would be a different player today with more minor league at bats under their belt?..i don't..i think you can either do it or you can't..all hitters are going to have to make adjustments at the big league level ..patterson has a nice career going..over a decade in the bigs and a good 4th outfielder not a great hitter but decent with glove..he was just never as good as hendry and some fans thought..and the pitching is better in the a.l...pie will have pretty much same career as c.p....again he is just a guy.

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beni hanna wrote:
Northside_Dan wrote:
Hoyer said today that they made a substantial increase in their offer to Wood. Who knows? Either way, it doesn't matter one bit.

Do you believe this? The statement pretty much has to be made to appease Cubdom. I doubt the increase was that significant.


If it was initially 1.5M and then they make it 2.0M that's a substantial increase.

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:lol: :lol: Shooot. Let's just double that 1.5 and call it even.


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Soto remains in the fold for now.

Cubs sign Soto to avoid arbitration
The Cubs avoided arbitration with catcher Geovany Soto by agreeing to a $4.3 million contract before salary figures were exchanged Tuesday, according to CBS Sports.

Soto made $3 million last season.

The Cubs have six other cases pending, including pitchers Matt Garza, Randy Wells and Chris Volstad and infielders Blake DeWitt, Ian Stewart and Jeff Baker.

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