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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:23 am 
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What have they done successfully, really? We'll make the playoffs occasionally maybe. He has no clue on offense and depends on his defense and st play. He is the definition of mediocre.


Sounds perfect from a Lake Forest perspective. They spend no $ on scouting, only spend $$ on free agents occaisionally and are the front office definition of mediocre.....until the Halas heirs' get their profit sharing checks.

He's still verging on "Best Bears coach in my lifetime" material.

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I'd love to see Lovie (or one of his choices) named as GM for low end $$ for the next two years (same as his coaching K term)

If he loses, the meatballs get their firing wish in a year for low end $ the McCaskeys can stomach.

If he wins, the meatballs' heads explode.


You drinking tonight? :P


Yeah, but I still stand behind those remarks.....poor little Bear fan :P

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:26 am 
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Going into every season regardless of how bad the roster is you know the Bears will have a chance to make the playoffs. Very few coaches have won with less talent. Lovie maximizes the talent on his roster.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:27 am 
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Part of the problem.

Speaking of Dick, Lovie is like a slightly better more charismatic version of Dick.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:30 am 
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Going into every season regardless of how bad the roster is you know the Bears will have a chance to make the playoffs. Very few coaches have won with less talent. Lovie maximizes the talent on his roster.


No he does not. He relies on a few elite players with natural talent and does crap with everything else or worse lets it go to crap. Every freaking year we have a chance at the wild card whoo hoo!!!


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:32 am 
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Spaulding wrote:
Part of the problem.

Speaking of Dick, Lovie is like a slightly better more charismatic version of Dick.

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Great, crazy liquored up old men are my favorite!

You don't need charisma to win games as a head coach. You seem to care more about the coach being a Neanderthal than winning games.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:37 am 
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Going into every season regardless of how bad the roster is you know the Bears will have a chance to make the playoffs. Very few coaches have won with less talent. Lovie maximizes the talent on his roster.


No he does not. He relies on a few elite players with natural talent and does crap with everything else or worse lets it go to crap. Every freaking year we have a chance at the wild card whoo hoo!!!


"Crap" is a bit strong little one.

I'd still like to see the coach over the last 40 years who HASN'T relied on a few elite players with natural talent......or otherwise "just" has/had a chance at a wild card at best.

Joe Gibbs in his first tour maybe. But for the life of me I cannot think of another. Give Lovie his due.

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Going into every season regardless of how bad the roster is you know the Bears will have a chance to make the playoffs. Very few coaches have won with less talent. Lovie maximizes the talent on his roster.


No he does not. He relies on a few elite players with natural talent and does crap with everything else or worse lets it go to crap. Every freaking year we have a chance at the wild card whoo hoo!!!


Are we seeing tons of players leaving the Bears and playing better somewhere else? Football is a TEAM game. Just look no further than this years Eagles team. How did all that natural talent work out? Having a shot at the playoffs means you have a shot at the SB. Winning it is all that matters no one cares how you got there.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:39 am 
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Spaulding wrote:
Speaking of Dick, Lovie is like a slightly better more charismatic version of Dick.


I guess you don't remember Dick, now do you.

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Not saying that at all. He parallels Jauron in a lot of ways.

What is Lovie good at? He gets his players to play? They don't give up? I don't even buy that.


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RR, yes you could be right in a lot of my issues stem from how the Bears are run.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:45 am 
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RR, yes you could be right in a lot of my issues stem from how the Bears are run.


And that is why I became a Saints fan 24 years ago..... (Yeah, I now know their owner is a clown, but I had my reasons then...and a recent title now ;) )

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Yeah, not really a great choice there. :P I'd probably go Steelers or heaven help me Green Bay. Why did you go Saints?


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What is Lovie good at? He gets his players to play? They don't give up? I don't even buy that.


Against bum squads (of which the NFL is populated by 1/3) it matters. Against undermanned (i.e. heavily injured) teams, it matters.

Even for teams w/o talent like the 1987-2011 Bears.

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Not saying that at all. He parallels Jauron in a lot of ways.

What is Lovie good at? He gets his players to play? They don't give up? I don't even buy that.

That's because you don't buy anything that doesn't say he sucks.

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If I step back sucks is a little strong. Not very good, maybe average. But here in the now, as frustrated as I am, sucks does nicely. None of this is his fault, it's all been attributed to somebody or something else. He's teflonish.


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Yeah, not really a great choice there. :P I'd probably go Steelers or heaven help me Green Bay. Why did you go Saints?


Family and love of New Orleans.

Disgust with the McClaskeys

Fandom of the greatest LB grouping in NFL history (Especially my guy Rickey Jackson)

And your age is showing....the Steelers & Pack both blew in '87. Who willingly would pick a horrible loser with no prospects of winning :P

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I admire their history and how they've been run since. But yeah in 87 not so good. I did like the 49ers back then. Bills would have been a good pick, or not.

Fuck the giants, patriots, and the cowboys.


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I admire their history and how they've been run since. But yeah in 87 not so good. I did like the 49ers back then.


Front runner :P

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Pud.

Looking over superbowls they've been to 5 and won them all.


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Looking over superbowls they've been to 5 and won them all.


And all before you had your drivers' license...or your Dan MacNeil talking football "Tickat"

Rookie.

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Not quite. They won in 94. I think I'd already had a few speeding tickats and been in 3 accidents by that time.


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Fandom of the greatest LB grouping in NFL history (Especially my guy Rickey Jackson)


my guy was swilling. and how could anyone not love the cajun cannon, too? the saints were pretty easy to like in the late 80's; except when it came to the playoffs. diddley poo.


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6-7 in CFSMB terms


I'm going to go Bernstein on you and suggest that 6-7 doesn't win championships.

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Where have you been hiding Taa?

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In Lovie's 8 years, the Bears, in a 32-team league, have had total offense ranked 32,29,15,27,26,23,30,and 24. A coach with that history of horrible offenses should be fired, not praised. Any head coach whose teams are that bad on one side of the ball cannot be considered a "good coach".


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In Lovie's 8 years, the Bears, in a 32-team league, have had total offense ranked 32,29,15,27,26,23,30,and 24. A coach with that history of horrible offenses should be fired, not praised. Any head coach whose teams are that bad on one side of the ball cannot be considered a "good coach".





can't argue that

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In Lovie's 8 years, the Bears, in a 32-team league, have had total offense ranked 32,29,15,27,26,23,30,and 24. A coach with that history of horrible offenses should be fired, not praised. Any head coach whose teams are that bad on one side of the ball cannot be considered a "good coach".

The fact that they've won with those offenses proves you're wrong. Lovie doesn't draft the players he coaches what he's given. He's done a hell of a job with very little talent

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So if he isn't responsible for the bad offense because he didn't draft the players, then I guess he can't be responsible for the good defenses and special teams either? That's nonsense.He is a good defensive coach and his teams have excelled at special teams. His record is solid at two phases of the game. That is enough for you to think he is a "good" coach? Ok. Apparently we have different meanings for the word "good".


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Lovie is a Peter principle guy. He has been over-promoted one level higher than his level of competency. I wiold be shocked if he were able to get another head coaching job in the NFL. Lovie is a defensive coordinator...but his style of defense is out of style in the NFL.
The Bears could have hired Jim Harbaugh last year. Instead, they are stuck in the shitfest that is the Phillips & Lovie Bears.

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