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And Tebow does have talent.

Well here's where we disagree.
He can run.

That's pretty much it.

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Can we at least all agree that Caleb Hanie sucks?

Its a shame Rick scared JBills from the board. I believe being a rich man's Marc Bulger would equate to not sucking.

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And Tebow does have talent.

Well here's where we disagree.
He can run.

That's pretty much it.

That, and hes shown the ability to throw a ball 50 yards and land in a 6-12 inch window over the shoulder of a receiver.

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Can we at least all agree that Caleb Hanie sucks?

Its a shame Rick scared JBills from the board. I believe being a rich man's Marc Bulger would equate to not sucking.

Caleb Hanie is more like a homeless man's Rob Johnson

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Can we at least all agree that Caleb Hanie sucks?

Its a shame Rick scared JBills from the board. I believe being a rich man's Marc Bulger would equate to not sucking.

Caleb Hanie is more like a homeless man's Rob Johnson

I thought Rob Johnson was homeless?

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That, and hes shown the ability to throw a ball 50 yards and land in a 6-12 inch window over the shoulder of a receiver.

So he can run and throw deep. I agree.

He is bad at everything else. Including making you sound smart.

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That, and hes shown the ability to throw a ball 50 yards and land in a 6-12 inch window over the shoulder of a receiver.

So he can run and throw deep. I agree.

He is bad at everything else. Including making you sound smart.

:lol: What's with the personal shot? I'm not worried about looking smart here. I think Tebow can play QB in the NFL. I'm sorry you think I'm a dumbass because of that.

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That, and hes shown the ability to throw a ball 50 yards and land in a 6-12 inch window over the shoulder of a receiver.

So he can run and throw deep. I agree.

He is bad at everything else. Including making you sound smart.


So he can run.
Throw the deep ball.
Avoid turnovers.
And make big plays when needed.

We're getting quite a list.

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That, and hes shown the ability to throw a ball 50 yards and land in a 6-12 inch window over the shoulder of a receiver.

So he can run and throw deep. I agree.

He is bad at everything else. Including making you sound smart.


So he can run.
Throw the deep ball.
Avoid turnovers.
And make big plays when needed.

We're getting quite a list.

Let's not forget how the threat of his running sets up play action passes to be extremely effective. And that he is also a substantial red zone threat because of his abilitiy to run. Additionally his running ability makes him lethal on 2pt conversions.

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He also rejuvenated McGahee's career.

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I never said anything about big plays. And it can be hard for him to throw interceptions when you are only throwing the ball 20 times a game. And if you are going to praise him for the lack of INTs, you have to knock him for the amount of fumbles he had-- which was 7, and one in the playoffs.

You're putting together a list that so far is amounting to "this guy is just OK"
But hey, he's got a passer rating over 100 for "passes thrown behind the line of scrimmage" :lol: :lol:

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Let's not forget how the threat of his running sets up play action passes to be extremely effective. And that he is also a substantial red zone threat because of his abilitiy to run. Additionally his running ability makes him lethal on 2pt conversions.
If his running is such an advantage on passing plays why does he perform so poorly as a passer by pretty much any metric?

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Phil McCracken wrote:
Let's not forget how the threat of his running sets up play action passes to be extremely effective. And that he is also a substantial red zone threat because of his abilitiy to run. Additionally his running ability makes him lethal on 2pt conversions.
If his running is such an advantage on passing plays why does he perform so poorly as a passer by pretty much any metric?

Because he is not a very accurate passer. That does not mean that it doesn't open up routes and big plays he struggles to make the plays. Like Dr. Ken I believe that he may improve on this skill as he matures as a player. He may not and you would then be right and his future is at TE and not QB.

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Frank thinks Elway is clearly the best QB ever.


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Frank thinks Elway is clearly the best QB ever.


Maybe someone can use that here.

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The guy just knows how to win football games. Period. His team has bought in. His coaches have bought in. Their fans have bought in. Many of the analysts who’ve broken down what the Broncos are doing offensively have bought in.

This was posted on Monday, December 5th. The Broncos went 2-4 for the rest of the season.

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This was posted right after.
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This was posted on Sunday, December 11th after the Bears game. The Broncos went 1-4 after this.

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I think many have a severe misconception of what a QB's job is. A lof of people put "winning games" on the backburner to things like standing tall in the pocket, throwing pretty passes, etc. The reality is that Tebow is an outstanding football player. You put him on the field and he finds ways to win football games. Even someone who hates him can see that. I think that is where many people's common sense is deceiving him. They see a fundamentally unsound QB and automatically refuses to admit that person can be a good at their position.

This was posted on Monday, December 12th. The Broncos went 1-4 for the rest of the season.

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

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GQ: Brady Quinn Debunks Year Of The Tebow: 'We've Had A Lot Of ... Luck'
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 7:15 am
Written by: Eric Adelson


The Tim Tebow debate has raged into the off-season, and by now we know the usual detractors: guys like Terrell Suggs, Nick Barnett, Shawne Merriman, Brady Quinn ...

Wait. What?

That's right, in a thoroughly reported feature by Yahoo! Sports NFL writer Michael Silver in the March issue of GQ, one of the Tebow critics is actually fellow Denver Broncos quarterback Brady Quinn.

And it's not just one subtle jab, either. Early in his piece, Silver gets Quinn talking about how Tebow got promoted to starter:

Early in the season, there was a game when Kyle [Orton] got hurt and the coaches were calling for me to go in, but Kyle got up and finished the game out. So I was the second-string guy. Then, a few weeks later, they decided to put Tim in. I felt like the fans had a lot to do with that. Just ’cause they were chanting his name. There was a big calling for him. No, I didn't have any billboards. That would have been nice.


Silver continues on with an oral history of the season, sprinkling in choice quotes from the likes of Kurt Warner (who compares Tebow to a character in the Bible) and Suggs (who calls Tebow "terrible").

Then it's back to Quinn, who demystifies Tebow's late-game prowess:

The entire game, the defensive line is chasing the quarterback around, and that wears down the pass rush. Meanwhile, the defensive backs are chasing receivers, but you only throw eight passes, so they start to feel lazy. It only takes that one play, that one big pass, for a touchdown.

To be sure, others in the story feel similarly. Merriman, of the Bills, tells Silver, "His teammates are making him look a lot better than he is." Suggs, of the Ravens, says, "No matter how many bad games Tim Tebow is gonna have, it’s 'He’s great.' I'll never understand it."

But the most glaring quotes -- though not the most hard-hitting -- come from Quinn.

In one passage, Broncos star linebacker Von Miller gives credit to the team -- "I mean, you could just see our team's resiliency in action. Nobody was giving up" -- and then Quinn offers a different reason for the Broncos' surge: "We’ve had a lot of, I guess, luck, to put it simply."



Now, Quinn isn't saying anything that hasn't been thought by pretty much everyone. Tebow didn't win football games with dominance or cunning. It's hard to pin his leadership on anything other than his all-world will and, as Warner suggests, "divine intervention." But in this story we have everyone in the Broncos organization, from coach John Fox to president John Elway to Miller, saying all the right things. Then there's the backup quarterback, Brady Quinn.

And not everything Quinn says is about football. The former Notre Dame star also questions how Tebow prays.

"If you look at it as a whole," he tells Silver, "there's a lot of things that just don't seem very humble to me. When I get that opportunity, I'll continue to lead not necessarily by trying to get in front of the camera and praying but by praying with my teammates, you know?"

Will Quinn get that opportunity? Fox says he wants two new quarterbacks to contend for the top job in Denver in the fall. So despite leading his team to a playoff victory, Tebow will have plenty of headwinds when training camp opens.

And it's likely not all of the doubters will be outside the Broncos complex.



http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201203/tim-tebow-oral-history-gq-march-2012-broncos-football

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GQ: Brady Quinn Debunks Year Of The Tebow: 'We've Had A Lot Of ... Luck'
Tuesday, February 21, 2012 7:15 am
Written by: Eric Adelson


The Tim Tebow debate has raged into the off-season, and by now we know the usual detractors: guys like Terrell Suggs, Nick Barnett, Shawne Merriman, Brady Quinn ...

Wait. What?

That's right, in a thoroughly reported feature by Yahoo! Sports NFL writer Michael Silver in the March issue of GQ, one of the Tebow critics is actually fellow Denver Broncos quarterback Brady Quinn.

And it's not just one subtle jab, either. Early in his piece, Silver gets Quinn talking about how Tebow got promoted to starter:

Early in the season, there was a game when Kyle [Orton] got hurt and the coaches were calling for me to go in, but Kyle got up and finished the game out. So I was the second-string guy. Then, a few weeks later, they decided to put Tim in. I felt like the fans had a lot to do with that. Just ’cause they were chanting his name. There was a big calling for him. No, I didn't have any billboards. That would have been nice.


Silver continues on with an oral history of the season, sprinkling in choice quotes from the likes of Kurt Warner (who compares Tebow to a character in the Bible) and Suggs (who calls Tebow "terrible").

Then it's back to Quinn, who demystifies Tebow's late-game prowess:

The entire game, the defensive line is chasing the quarterback around, and that wears down the pass rush. Meanwhile, the defensive backs are chasing receivers, but you only throw eight passes, so they start to feel lazy. It only takes that one play, that one big pass, for a touchdown.

To be sure, others in the story feel similarly. Merriman, of the Bills, tells Silver, "His teammates are making him look a lot better than he is." Suggs, of the Ravens, says, "No matter how many bad games Tim Tebow is gonna have, it’s 'He’s great.' I'll never understand it."

But the most glaring quotes -- though not the most hard-hitting -- come from Quinn.

In one passage, Broncos star linebacker Von Miller gives credit to the team -- "I mean, you could just see our team's resiliency in action. Nobody was giving up" -- and then Quinn offers a different reason for the Broncos' surge: "We’ve had a lot of, I guess, luck, to put it simply."



Now, Quinn isn't saying anything that hasn't been thought by pretty much everyone. Tebow didn't win football games with dominance or cunning. It's hard to pin his leadership on anything other than his all-world will and, as Warner suggests, "divine intervention." But in this story we have everyone in the Broncos organization, from coach John Fox to president John Elway to Miller, saying all the right things. Then there's the backup quarterback, Brady Quinn.

And not everything Quinn says is about football. The former Notre Dame star also questions how Tebow prays.

"If you look at it as a whole," he tells Silver, "there's a lot of things that just don't seem very humble to me. When I get that opportunity, I'll continue to lead not necessarily by trying to get in front of the camera and praying but by praying with my teammates, you know?"

Will Quinn get that opportunity? Fox says he wants two new quarterbacks to contend for the top job in Denver in the fall. So despite leading his team to a playoff victory, Tebow will have plenty of headwinds when training camp opens.

And it's likely not all of the doubters will be outside the Broncos complex.



http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201203/tim-tebow-oral-history-gq-march-2012-broncos-football

Wow so Tebow's backup is bitter. Got it.

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Bitter? Perhaps

Jealous? Probably


Some of the best SMACK delivered between teammates ever? YES


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For their careers:

Tim Tebow 8-6 as a starter

Brady Quinn 3-9 as a starter

Just sayin.

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Tim Tebow 8-6 as a starter

Brady Quinn 3-9 as a starter

Just sayin.

Dude, he criticized his prayer technique.

Said he'll pray better.


That is just about the most disrepectful thing he can say. Whether he should be talking or not, thats quality smack


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For their careers:

Tim Tebow 8-6 as a starter

Brady Quinn 3-9 as a starter

Just sayin.

Dude, he criticized his prayer technique.

Said he'll pray better.


That is just about the most disrepectful thing he can say. Whether he should be talking or not, thats quality smack

Everything in my life I know about prayer I learned from MC Hammer

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My thoughts are that Brady Quinn doesn't have the right to smack talk anybody, just bad!!

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Please stop bumping this thread. It gets me excited that BD or JBills have done the honorable thing and apologized to me and the many others they disrespected. Instead, I am left with the disappointment that they are in fact avoiding this thread more than John Elway avoids calling Tebow the future of the franchise.

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Just for that I'm bumping this thread every week. :x

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No matter what your feelings are on Tebow, there is no denying that Quinn is a pussy:

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