I wasn't gonna do it, but I'm glad someone did.

I take Howard over Wade without any hesitation at this point, and I'd be inclined to choose him over Kobe and Paul as well. He's not having the best year, but that's primarily a function of his having no motivation whatsoever to continue to carry his awful franchise. Last season when he still gave a crap by contrast he probably had a better argument for being MVP over both Rose and James simply because of how much he was able to do with his completely putrid supporting cast.

He does require a double team and he does make those around him better, especially defensively, as you'll see when he leaves Orlando. Your last point doesn't mean a whole lot unless you think Wilt and Shaq werent top 5 players in their prime.

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I don't think it's too clear who's better between Kobe, Dwight, Wade, and Paul. In a vacuum Paul might be the better player but I think Dwight is more valuable of a player to acquire. He's far and away the best center, Paul isn't even the best PG.

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howard is a top 5 player


lebron
howard
rose
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kobe/dirk

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The point is it's not a completely outlandish statement to make that Howard might not be a top 5 player.

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He doesn't make those around him better offensively because he can be stopped without a double team. That was the case with Shaq. You could throw the ball into Shaq at the end of games. I know you're a couple years younger than me but surely you were old enough to see that.

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Shaq rarely touched the ball the last couple minutes. Kobe was the closer. The biggest advantage he had over Dwight was his passing ability. I guess you still think Dwight is the Dwight of three years ago but he's clearly not. The days of guys like Perkins holding him to 10-12 points are gone.

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Also mentioning Howard in the same breath as 2 of the top 3 centers of all time is silly.

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No Dwight Howard led team will win a championship. He's a great #2 option on a championship team but he can't be #1.

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I didn't.

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It's not that Howrd has to be the best player, but the best center. In comparing the greatest centers of all time, there were other players (non-centers) who were statistically comparable (if not superior). What Howard would give the Bulls, particularly with D. Rose, is a dominant 2-man game that would force the opponents to use 3 to stop 2. Two MVP caliber players.

Considering he is by far the best center in the game it's not hard for him to be the best center on the court.

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Wouldn't you say that Point Guard & Center are the 2 most imporant positions on an NBA team?

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It wasn't made up radio. One said it. In my opinion, the other one implied it. I believe Bernstein said something like "When has it not worked out in a championship?". That implies that trading for Dwight Howard would result in a championship too. So, before you play the "made up radio" card please read the post so you don't look silly.
I wasn't talking about being a contender. I'm talking about actually winning a title.

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The Nets are terrible. Any deal for Howard would also include Lopez. Deron + Howard + a pile of shit will not win a championship. The Magic have a better nucleus with Howard right now, and even they don't have any real chance at winning a title.

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point and center most important positions? maybe it is beginning to trend that way..but the last 4 winners

mavs-no
lakers-no
lakers-no
celtics-no

...heat this year -no

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Bernstein once again cited the fact that every other time a trade like this has happened the team went on to win the title as a reason that the Bulls should make that trade. Hey redskingreg, doesn't that imply that he thinks whoever gets Dwight Howard will win a title or is it more "Made up radio"?

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Am I the only one who doesn't think Lopez is good? He rebounds like Eddy Curry. The Magic would've been so damn stupid to take him over Bynum.

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On the Bulls' flagship up the dial, I've heard Jonathan Hood after Bulls' games say that they don't necessarily make the kind of moves such as acquiring Dwight Howard. Besides, even though he supposedly softened his anti-Bulls' stance to the Trib's Vaughn McClure a couple weeks ago, I'm still not convinced that Howard is really all that interested in coming to Chicago in any proposed trade.

In my own opinion, if the Bulls change Howard's mind and offers a bunch of guys to Orlando, but lets #12 go when he becomes a free agent, forget making the deal. To me, it defeats the purpose.

I believe it's understood that no team will be renting Howard. He'll need to agree to an extension beforehand. That's why Orlando is giving teams permission to talk to him.

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For the record too, and redskingreg will probably tell me I made this up to, but B&B would trade for Howard without an extension and take their chances.

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I've said since I joined this board that it's hard for me to understand why people respect their NBA knowledge. Bernstein seems to understand the sport of basketball, but their NBA thoughts are bad.

Did Bernsie say what he's willing to depart with for 3 months of Howard?

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I don't know if he said specifically, but it sounds like Luol Deng would be an acceptable loss.

He does seem to operate under the impression that trading for Howard without an extension would end up with him signing an extension here because the other teams are much worse and he wouldn't go to the Nets. That's a tough chance to take for me though.

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If Dwight Howard's going anywhere, he's going to the Western Conference. I'm not sure how or who they'll have to give up to get him, but I have a sneaky feeling the Mavericks might be the team that ultimately gets Dwight in the end. I don't think you can blame GarPax for trying, but Howard wants NOTHING TO DO WITH THE BULLS!

Bynum has the potential to be great but you can't count on a guy that will miss 1/3 of the season. The way he gutted it out on one leg against Boston shows what he is made of. They don't win that series without him. I'm not sure Dwight has that in him.

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I've never watched an NBA game lol... But you should take the team with the best record in the conference (Bulls) and trade the house for Howard. Now according to Terry its not for this year but there is no guarantee Howard will reup for next year. Am I sorta following this?

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It's a deal that isn't worth it if the Bulls trade a bunch of guys to Orlando, possibly including a #1 pick, and Howard bolts in the offseason. Then what?

Well they don't even win that series if Perkins doesn't go down, but I digress.

If it wasn't for Bynum's injury history I think Orlando wouldve pulled the trigger already. If they wanna keep Dwight til the All Star game that's fine I guess but it would be all time stupid to not get Bynum before the deadline and lose Dwight for nothing. He's already the clear cut 2nd best center in the league and the only one besides Dwight that has shown the ability to dominate. Also, Camby and Zydrunas are big guys who overcame early injuries, theres a good chance Bynum will be fine going forward.

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