Still waiting on those examples of us posting contradictory posts... I still don't know why you'd think we'd say that it's important to listen to the fans when players or gms or coaches weigh decisions.

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The Cubs fan opinion on Theo is limited to a very small sample size. We can only look at his limited transactions and things he says.

Him and Jed (I feel like Jed has to feel very overlooked constantly, feel bad for the guy) have made many solid moves this off-season. The additions of Rizzo, Maholm, Volstad I really like. Getting anything for Z at all. Taking a flyer on some young guys with potential in Wood, Stewart and Sonnanstine to an obviously much lesser degree. Taking their time with Jackson, Rizzo etc I think is absolutely the right decision at this point.

Everything he said speaks to building a baseball organization that will be able to start every year expecting 85-90 wins at least. Teaching the same concepts and practices at every level of the organization. Drafting and scouting similar types of players. But like RPB has mentioned, EVERY GM should say and attempt to do this. Obviously some and better than others and some can hide their messups with big dollas. But if your team isn't attempting to do that, they are destined for failure.

Obviously with how close the team was multiple times during the 2000's, people got anxious which lead to Hendry's ultimate downfall. Expectations for the GM/President are determined largely on previous years records/transactions. Any GM brought in here would have been expected to tear this thing down and start rebuilding with how bad the previous few years were.T

The Cubs were fortunate enough to hire a few guys with a track record of success in doing this, so yes it's possible they will get even longer in some fans eyes. There's nothing wrong with that.

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Any coach or GM that would ever listen to what the fan wants is an idiot and I would never want them in charge of my team. 99% of fans are morons.

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The blowing up is not yet complete. Whatever GM took the job would need to finish it.

(and I think you're exaggerating what Ive said re: Cubs vs Sox payrolls. I think its closer than it was when the Cubs payroll was fucking Pearl Harbor)


But you're arguing with no one. No one has said they'd have less patience for other GMs.

Also, I dont think its crazy to give certain guys more leeway. If a team hired Bill Parcells to be their President they might give him more leeway than a guy like Phil Emery right?


But no playoffs for 3 years will be a failure. If they dont take a big step of improvement, NEXT year, that will be a failure.


I dont get it. The Cubs needed to be blown up. Anyone with a brain can see that. Why is it so hard to understand that?

Just sticking to the Cubs I've seen many of you all bash Lou and Dusty for comments made about fans. Same with guys like Sosa and Bradley.

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So you loved the Tribune and the McCaskey's. That's fine.

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LIE

Never said that or typed that in my life. And I didnt rip Sosa and he was gone 4 years before I joined this site.

Point 1, the true blowing up didn't start before Theo... you don't think that if hendry was here he'd try to pay a billion for Pujols so he could get his daily hug or Prince Fielder?

Point 2... I doubt they'll win a WS in three years, but I'd sure be happy if they did... that being said I think the playoffs are a solid 3 year stretch goal. After three years, if they're still not making the playoffs in the NL Central with an extra spot, maybe something should have been done differently. I don't think that's going to happen, though.

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I specifically remember you talking about how the Sox bad contracts were much worse than the Cubs once the Sox added players like Peavy and Rios and Dunn. Maybe I'll go looking for it.
Of course they would. Theo is being given a ton of leeway by Cubs fans. You can see it in most of the posts about how he has a vision and it's going to take a while.

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To think any different is 100% Meatball.


I wish you and Murph luck in your quest to get the fans voice heard.

Saying fuck what the fans think publicly is a new thing.

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When the hell did Lou, Dusty or Sosa and Bradley say that they let the fans affect their decision making?
Because Bradley saying some dumbassed shit about racist fans at daycare is a little different than Theo saying the fans won't affect the decision making process.
Your arguments are starting to get absurd dude... what are you smoking today?

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I'm getting the pulse of Cubs fans A.T. I just hope it doesn't change or there aren't any caveats to explain your reaction to a player or coach saying fuck the fans

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Well he didn't say that and if it's new how could we have reacted to it back in 03 or 07 or whenever the hell you said it happened but it didn't happen?

Anyway, yeah, so I like the fact a GM is going ahead and saying that fans holding HOFF-POWER signs won't help him get traded from the Ham Fighters to the Cubs and given a starting postition at 1st base. I'm good with that, and I'm on the record as saying that's a good thing.

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If coaches or GMs in this town would have listened to the fan this is what would happen:
1. Prince Fielder would have signed a 10-year contract and sunk this franchise for the next decade
2. Chris Zorich would have played linebacker
3. The Bulls would have drafted Michael Beasley (I know you were on that bandwagon)
4. The White Sox would have sent Dunn down to the minors.
5. The Blackhawks would be on TV

I can go on forever with this list.

Now, is the fan sometimes right? Sure. Is the GM or Coach sometimes wrong? Absolutely. But a franchise should never make player or personnel decisions based on what the fan wants. That's ridiculous.

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Yeah, going forward its worse for the Sox. I guess saying I spent a lot of time doing it is what got me. Its not like Ive been hammering the Sox bad contracts constantly


No they wouldnt.

The difference with Theo is people have a ton of faith in him.

The timeline is the same.


This cub team CAN NOT be fixed in one season by ANYONE.

Not Jesus, Not Theo, Not Hawk Harrellson.

Giving the new GM a couple years is a must.

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What a dick.


Mr. President.

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Go look at when the last big time money deal was signed by the Cubs. It was well before Theo was here.

Here are the Cubs payrolls:
2007: $99,670,332
2008: $118,345,833
2009: $135,050,000
2010: $146,859,000
2011: $125,480,664
2012: $126,380,663(estimated)

Something happened at some point in 2010 where they decided that throwing money at the team wasn't going to work.

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I generally say no to any type of drug. That doesn't change your reaction to their post game comments and subsequent apology for those comments.

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I have never, and will never say that.

Thats why what you're doing is lying.

You telling me you don't think Hendry was gonna scoop Pujols or Fielder?

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Who and what comments? What are you talking about specifically please? Instead of weird vague claims how about specifics? I'm not Jimmy here dude...

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I doubt he'd have the money to do so. At some point during the 2010 season, or right after, they decided to lower payroll instead of the strategy of adding nearly $50 million in it to try and win.

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All of that is fine. I just find it odd that someone would publicly say they don't care what the paying customers think and that fans are now okay with this. In the past players and coaches got destroyed by the press for it.

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We'll have to disagree on that one. Knowing that big contracts were coming off soon, I think they absolutely would have entertained a Hendryesque backloaded fucked up deal to one of those two.

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Feel free to search for your thoughts in the Cubs section Evil Jack.

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Ok I get it. This is a bit.
Missing your politics section, I see.

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Ok I see ya got nothing. That's cool. Maybe try again some day when the typin arm is feeling a little better, eh champ?

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If we had a search function I would look. That's why I said going forward I'll be on hypocrisy patrol.

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