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I believe that motor racing-whether it's Nascar, Indy or racing involving Motorcycles or boats should all be eliminated. It wastes a ton of gas and causes additional pollution while offering nothing of substance in return.


I believe you should be eliminated for the same reasons.



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Of course college helps and/or is required for some departments. But definitely not all of them. Steve's own department requires just a mere GED as part of the basic requirements. So that means steve could have dropped out of high school and still became a cop in Springfield.



I was never employed by the Springfield Police department. I went to the Law Enforcement Academy in Springfield, Illinois, where I was Vice-President of my class (400 hour class # 12). But I never worked in Springfield. I didn't work in Elmhurst either Spaulding, but you guys can keep guessing towns until someone comes up with the right answer. If you call down to the Academy and ask who was the Vice-President of 400 hour class # 12 and what Department did he come from, perhaps they will tell you....


How did you ever manage to keep up a C- academically???

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For each supervisor provided to assist in the administration of this course, one student slot is provided to that agency at no charge.

The 480-hour class includes additional practical exercises and precision driving.

The applicant needs to be employed by a city police or county sheriff's department in Illinois to attend this training.

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ESPN Films - No. The 30 for 30 stuff was good, but there exclusive movies were all awful.
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C'mon Rick, its gotta be tough to paint the walls up to that blue tape. And then there are the brushes, and mixing the paint, and putting together a website full of typos. Its a tough gig.


It takes a strong education to learn that the primer goes on before the paint.


It was so tough that now you can get paint and primer combined.

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You guys arguing with Steve is like having sex with a corpse, you know? I mean, yeah...it might be somewhat enjoyable while you're doing it, but then afterwards you just feel kinda dirty and regretful of the whole thing. Y'all know what I'm talking about?

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I was never employed by the Springfield Police department. I went to the Law Enforcement Academy in Springfield, Illinois, where I was Vice-President of my class (400 hour class # 12). But I never worked in Springfield. I didn't work in Elmhurst either Spaulding, but you guys can keep guessing towns until someone comes up with the right answer. If you call down to the Academy and ask who was the Vice-President of 400 hour class # 12 and what Department did he come from, perhaps they will tell you....
Do you want me to share the answer? It's a really easy thing to find on google.

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You guys arguing with Steve is like having sex with a corpse, you know? I mean, yeah...it might be somewhat enjoyable while you're doing it, but then afterwards you just feel kinda dirty and regretful of the whole thing. Y'all know what I'm talking about?

:shock:
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My issue with the military compared to when I was in is that they are taking in felons now (Stats released by a congressional committee shows the number of soldiers admitted to the Army with felony records jumped from 549 in 20010 to 901 in 2011. And the number of Marines with felonies rose from 608 to 850), they did before but now its not so much of a hurdle to climb, which is concerning. You cant be a cop or firefighter if you have a felony conviction and having a misdemeanor more then likely wont get you past the orientation process. I have many friends who are cops and they all have degrees and they didn't go into that job wanting to do patrol for 30 years, most want to be detectives or more, that requires an college degree.

The US military has major issues, poor training, poor leaders and enlistee's who are just there to stay out of jail, as I said before, not a huge % but enough to make me wonder whats going on. I dont totally agree with ES, but mostly on this one, he is right, its just not PC to diss the military, its all cupcakes and rainbows, but truth be told and if one is actually paying attention, its not and its obvious.

I support the troops who are fighting right now, but I won't ignore the downfalls that the military and public seem to be ignoring just to paint a happy picture.


Those numbers of felons are so small it is almost not worth mentioning.

561,984 Active personnel
567,299 Reserve and National Guard personnel
1,129,283 total strength

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Arrested Development
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I'm pretty much with you on these.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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This is the very defintion of the thread. :shock:

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My issue with the military compared to when I was in is that they are taking in felons now (Stats released by a congressional committee shows the number of soldiers admitted to the Army with felony records jumped from 549 in 200http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs5/2513935_o.gif10 to 901 in 2011. And the number of Marines with felonies rose from 608 to 850), they did before but now its not so much of a hurdle to climb, which is concerning. You cant be a cop or firefighter if you have a felony conviction and having a misdemeanor more then likely wont get you past the orientation process. I have many friends who are cops and they all have degrees and they didn't go into that job wanting to do patrol for 30 years, most want to be detectives or more, that requires an college degree.

The US military has major issues, poor training, poor leaders and enlistee's who are just there to stay out of jail, as I said before, not a huge % but enough to make me wonder whats going on. I dont totally agree with ES, but mostly on this one, he is right, its just not PC to diss the military, its all cupcakes and rainbows, but truth be told and if one is actually paying attention, its not and its obvious.

I support the troops who are fighting right now, but I won't ignore the downfalls that the military and public seem to be ignoring just to paint a happy picture.

A few issues with this.

First, blanket statements about any demographic are lazy and irresponsible. From my experience many of the "bad seeds", as you and Steve would say, are not bad people at all. They made some mistakes and are taking the 2nd chance being afforded to them. Not everybody made all the right decisions all the time growing up. It would suck to be known for the dumbest thing you ever did. That's basically how you are tagging them.

Second, the numbers you pointed out are so ridiculously low compared to the overall numbers that make up the Marines and Army that it's disingenuous to act like felons being in the military is suddenly an epidemic. It's less than .01% I believe. So stop trying to paint an inaccurate picture.

Third, the military always has lowered its standards for wartime. This is nothing new. They need bodies and only 1% of the qualified people join the military. But the standards have gotten tougher since 2010. I don't know about waivers for felons specifically, but they stopped just handing out bonuses, require higher asvabs now, and overall are trying to lower the number of Active troops. So it should be less of an issue.

Your post sounded like a few old timers I knew in the Army talking shit. They hate everything about the "New Army" and all these young punks running around with their crazy outfits and crazy out-of-standard haircuts. Back in the Old Army we wouldn'ta put up with that shit. We woulda given these kids wall-to-wall counselings(that's military speak for basically kicking the shit out of a private) every damn month. Etc, etc, etc.

The military is filled with Americans. Good, bad, lazy, ambitious, intelligent, uneducated, etc. They have all types. The men and women in our military do not get our respect because they are all brave, strong, smart, proud Americans, but because even though they are not they are still asked to perform like one with their lives on the line.

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You guys arguing with Steve is like having sex with a corpse, you know? I mean, yeah...it might be somewhat enjoyable while you're doing it
Somewhat?

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Hank, Im gonna half heartedly ride with you on the Stooges.


I mean its kinda funny, for about 5 minutes.


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Those numbers of felons are so small it is almost not worth mentioning.

561,984 Active personnel
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Would you want 100's of felons living in in your town?


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When people call it comedic genius, I cringe.
For the 1930's and 40's, it was.

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My issue with the military compared to when I was in is that they are taking in felons now (Stats released by a congressional committee shows the number of soldiers admitted to the Army with felony records jumped from 549 in 200http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs5/2513935_o.gif10 to 901 in 2011. And the number of Marines with felonies rose from 608 to 850), they did before but now its not so much of a hurdle to climb, which is concerning. You cant be a cop or firefighter if you have a felony conviction and having a misdemeanor more then likely wont get you past the orientation process. I have many friends who are cops and they all have degrees and they didn't go into that job wanting to do patrol for 30 years, most want to be detectives or more, that requires an college degree.

The US military has major issues, poor training, poor leaders and enlistee's who are just there to stay out of jail, as I said before, not a huge % but enough to make me wonder whats going on. I dont totally agree with ES, but mostly on this one, he is right, its just not PC to diss the military, its all cupcakes and rainbows, but truth be told and if one is actually paying attention, its not and its obvious.

I support the troops who are fighting right now, but I won't ignore the downfalls that the military and public seem to be ignoring just to paint a happy picture.

A few issues with this.

First, blanket statements about any demographic are lazy and irresponsible. From my experience many of the "bad seeds", as you and Steve would say, are not bad people at all. They made some mistakes and are taking the 2nd chance being afforded to them. Not everybody made all the right decisions all the time growing up. It would suck to be known for the dumbest thing you ever did. That's basically how you are tagging them.

Second, the numbers you pointed out are so ridiculously low compared to the overall numbers that make up the Marines and Army that it's disingenuous to act like felons being in the military is suddenly an epidemic. It's less than .01% I believe. So stop trying to paint an inaccurate picture.

Third, the military always has lowered its standards for wartime. This is nothing new. They need bodies and only 1% of the qualified people join the military. But the standards have gotten tougher since 2010. I don't know about waivers for felons specifically, but they stopped just handing out bonuses, require higher asvabs now, and overall are trying to lower the number of Active troops. So it should be less of an issue.

Your post sounded like a few old timers I knew in the Army talking shit. They hate everything about the "New Army" and all these young punks running around with their crazy outfits and crazy out-of-standard haircuts. Back in the Old Army we wouldn'ta put up with that shit. We woulda given these kids wall-to-wall counselings(that's military speak for basically kicking the shit out of a private) every damn month. Etc, etc, etc.

The military is filled with Americans. Good, bad, lazy, ambitious, intelligent, uneducated, etc. They have all types. The men and women in our military do not get our respect because they are all brave, strong, smart, proud Americans, but because even though they are not they are still asked to perform like one with their lives on the line.

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561,984 Active personnel
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1,129,283 total strength


Would you want 100's of felons living in in your town?


They probably already do. I also live in a town much smaller than population over a million. A felony can cover a wide variety of crimes. It doesnt mean that they killed someone or raped the neighbors dog.

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raped the neighbors dog.

Only a misdemeanor in most of Indiana.

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raped the neighbors dog.

Only a misdemeanor in most of Indiana.

I'm not even sure that's a crime in Arkansas...most likely means that you married the dog.

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For the 1930's and 40's, it was.


But you live in 21st century and still find it funny.

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561,984 Active personnel
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1,129,283 total strength


Would you want 100's of felons living in in your town?

I lived on a military base for 3 years and if there were 100's of felons there I didn't notice, which sorta invalidates the point you are attempting to make.

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raped the neighbors dog.

Only a misdemeanor in most of Indiana.


I know, how do you think I got in the Coast Guard?

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raped the neighbors dog.

Only a misdemeanor in most of Indiana.

I'm not even sure that's a crime in Arkansas...most likely means that you married the dog.

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Third, the military always has lowered its standards for wartime.


That should never happen

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Your post sounded like a few old timers I knew in the Army talking shit. They hate everything about the "New Army" and all these young punks running around with their crazy outfits and crazy out-of-standard haircuts. Back in the Old Army we wouldn'ta put up with that shit. We woulda given these kids wall-to-wall counselings(that's military speak for basically kicking the shit out of a private) every damn month. Etc, etc, etc.


It has nothing to do with now and when I was in, dont make assumptions on how I came to this opinion, my point is they preach one thing and do another, I get thats just life, but I won't ignore it. All this has to do with is in my opinion, taking in felons is not going to work out, it has been proven time and time again. Yea, they have there 1% who turn into a happy story and we are all suppose to think its like that with all of them, but its not the case.


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Hank, Im gonna half heartedly ride with you on the Stooges.


I mean its kinda funny, for about 5 minutes.


When people call it comedic genius, I cringe.


At least someone does. Thank you sir.

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That should never happen

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Your post sounded like a few old timers I knew in the Army talking shit. They hate everything about the "New Army" and all these young punks running around with their crazy outfits and crazy out-of-standard haircuts. Back in the Old Army we wouldn'ta put up with that shit. We woulda given these kids wall-to-wall counselings(that's military speak for basically kicking the shit out of a private) every damn month. Etc, etc, etc.


It has nothing to do with now and when I was in, dont make assumptions on how I came to this opinion, my point is they preach one thing and do another, I get thats just life, but I won't ignore it. All this has to do with is in my opinion, taking in felons is not going to work out, it has been proven time and time again. Yea, they have there 1% who turn into a happy story and we are all suppose to think its like that with all of them, but its not the case.

I agree the military should not accept felons. You need to draw the line somewhere. I disagree that it's a problem or has somehow transformed the military.

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