Thats tough. I dont think you can find all Soriano's problems in the numbers. He's a special case. You watch him every day and you see some non errors that are just awful.


I agree though, LF is the First Base of the outfield

I just don't want people to expect Jackson to be a .3OO hitter initially at the big league level. He is going to be a .265 hitter with some pop but he is really going to need to continue to develop his swing.

Baseball more than any other sport is all about developing your skills. Some other sports you can just show up on day 1 and be in the mix but baseball takes time. These 2 both have a ton of potential and I like the staff the Cubs have that will be developing them. Swaimer seems like a very hands on guy who will actually instruct them unlike some other guys in the past.

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But you don't have to have ever seen a guy or even know anything about his numbers to know that the chances of him being as good as guys like Soriano or Carlos Lee- guys most people won't even think about in ten years- is remote.

The vast majority of Cub fans are glad Ramirez is gone. Do you agree with that or is it a crazy preconceived notion I have? Assuming that's right, who do you think is going to replaces Ramirez at third for the Cubs who is better? He's probably the third best third baseman the Cubs have had in their 100 and some year existence. But Theo is going to find a better guy? Is that a hope or a dream?

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I don't think they're worthless, but I also don't think Epstein can really walk on water. He's prone to falling in love with guys just like Kenny Williams or anyone else. You can see that he's convinced Rizzo is great. Maybe he's right. Maybe not.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

what is that based on? i mean, you may be right - he may average .265. he may also average .200 and he may average .280 or he may average .300 or he may average .240.

I can only speak from the baseball friends I have, people aren't glad Ramirez the player and the numbers he put up are gone. They are happy the Cubs didn't spend the money to keep him around when this year clearly was going nowhere. I've been probably the biggest ARam fan on this board and defended him against people who resort to the typical 'lazy' ballplayer critiques.


Who is saying that Theo is going to find something better? You keep taking things that you hear not on this board and applying it to people on here. Obviously his numbers going forward will be very difficult to replace. Fact is, he's on the downside of his career and a decision had to be made.

Especially when Josh Vitters OPS .1200 in September this thread will look stupid

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Team Cutler.

Post a link to this please, because I want to laugh at you more for using that as your basis for Dayan Viciedo being the savior.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I think WALKMAN may have misunderstood JORR's comment. I remember that thread. Im thinking the Awesome was referring to the comedy of the cartoon, not that Viciedo is the savior

The cartoon was awesome and it was mocking the idea that Viciedo was some kind of savior. I wasn't cheering Viciedo and neither was the cartoon.

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I love how threads like this always turn into Sox fans pretending as if only Cub fans get excited about their prospects.

The Beckham thread alone provides evidence that Sox fans do the same thing. Hell, some of them were giddy about De Aza over the last week. And how many were bitching about Viciedo not coming up last year?

Fans of all teams get excited about prospects. It is just part of sports.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Ive forgotten more about baseball than you'll ever know, junior.

Dont go around thinking you know baseball because you read baseball america.


You still holding on the Castro as a SS?

I've never seen or heard anyone get giddy over DeAza. But he's a guy doing it at the big league level. He's the opposite of the hyped prospect. He's a guy no one ever talked about. And he looks like he can play a little. He's not being protected and played only against his best matchups. I don't think anyone is hoping he's Brett Butler.

And the difference with Beckham is all that optimism started after he looked like he could hit in the big leagues. It wasn't based on what he might be or what he did in the minors or at Georgia. There is a difference. I never heard anyone hyping up Addison Reed, Nate Jones, or Hector Santiago and they're all guys with big arms who are contributing to the big league team. No Sox fan is saying, "Just wait until Keenyn Walker gets here!"

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Who is going to take Byrd? He's awful right now.

Really?






That is just not true. It definitely expanded when he came up and did well. But people were all over him from the time he was drafted.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Where is the giddiness?

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Then youre purposely closing your ears. People were hyping him up since last year and it hit a fever pitch after the Santos trade.

So having a "hard on" for someone is not being giddy?

You are really stretching here JORR.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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Right now probably no one that isn't beyond desperate. If he doesn't pick it up the next week or so I would be fine with him hooking up with his guy Conte, getting back on the plan and hopefully getting traded before he gets 5O games.....though him being popped for 5O would still open the door for Jackson.

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But they produced Hector Santiago!

I have always said your system will produce someone, if not by accident! You have 90-120 active minor leaguers, if you can't find one guy in the 39th round that accidentally becomes a starting pitcher in the majors you can walk away now.

However, don't brag about your system when this type of guys pops up. See Mark Buerhle.

Your 1st,2nd and 3rd round picks is where you should be producing MLB players. Which the Cubs have failed at, so have the Sox. The difference is as a Cubs fan, I have no issue admitting it. Sox fans seem to think they have a system in place that produces MLB players, it's just that Kenny trades them ALL away?

2010 Chris Sale LHP Florida Gulf Coast University 13 - Definite MLBer, starter? Jury is out, but still good.
2009 Jared Mitchell OF LSU 23...even without broken ankles, not very good
2008 Gordon Beckham SS Univ. of Georgia 8....Uhmmm...Nice Hair
2007 Aaron Poreda LHP San Francisco 25....congrats
2006 Kyle McCulloch RHP Texas 29 Yes!
2005 Lance Broadway RHP TCU 15 No!
2004 Josh Fields 3B Oklahoma State 18 The Next Ventura!
2003 Brian Anderson OF U. of Arizona MY Favorite...ALL TIME GREAT BUST OF BUSTS! High School, College Scouted by Kenny for 8 years! Since he was a Fresh in Tucson Kenny has been scouting this guy.

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Me too


Although this Cubs team is the hardest to watch in my 24 years as a Cub fan.

I'm the guy that said Keyser had the hard-on and I didn't mean it as if he liked him. He obviously thinks DeAza is a big problem for the Sox and that just isn't true. And I certainly am not "giddy" over DeAza. I just don't think he's "bad at baseball". I don't think he's particularly great either. He'll do for now. I was really curious about which strikeout king on the bench Keyser Soze would have preferred to bat.

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Again, after he actually looked strong against at least a few big leaguers. Not based on AA numbers.

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So Sox fans only talk up someone after he has been called up and done well. Right JORR. Right.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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If Jackson and Rizzo were in the Sox system then Sox fans would be excited and if Reed and Sale were Cubs I would be excited.

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So who are the Sox fans talking up now? And don't say it's because there is no one. There's never anyone in the Cubs system and they always find someone to hype.

At any given time there's always a hot Cub guy who should replace the big leaguer. Sometimes it's a career minor leaguer like Hoffpauir and sometimes it's "the next big thing" like Rizzo. But there's always a guy or two like that. So who is the Sox guy right now?

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Sale and Reed are getting out big league hitters. Rizzo has already failed once in the majors.

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Come on man, he pitched 7 major league innings before this season.

Are you really saying 7 games makes all the difference?

Just because there is no one they are talking up right now does not mean there have never been guys.

Jordan Danks...

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Sale did.


Reed came into 7 garbage games (All sox losses) and was average at best.