the 9 walk no no is weak....but most no hitters are more like one walk....the pressure builds each inning in a no hit bid...it is much harder to maintain....a k or a grounder who cares..an out is an out

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As far as eye tests go, I thought Verlander's first no hitter was sick. Guys missing by 3 feet.

Pedro's perfect non perfect game was bad ass, too

I don't for sure....I think it's just chatter because baseball folks like to do "this day in baseball history".

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I never said I know more than him. In this instance, however Bill James, you, and trickybeck at wrong. A guy that allowed 3 base runners in a game cannot have had a better performance than a guy that allowed zero base runners in a game. Unless you and Bill James live in a world where 3 is somehow less than 0. 21 guys have pitched a game where the allowed zero base runners, so at least 21 guys have had a better game than Wood. Maybe his is #22 on the list, but it can be no higher.

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I respect your right to an opinion, Frank.

I just disagree. Its not only Wood. Pedro too.

The league average babip is ~.300. What gives you a better chance of winning; allowing 18 balls in play or 8?

I calculated Humbers perfect game at 50 + 27 + 10 + 9 = 96. Wood beat him by 9.

So let me get this straight. Kerry Wood could have literally given up 2 more hits, an earned run, and it still would have been better than Humbers perfect game where Humber threw 67/96(69%) strikes whereas Wood threw 84/122(68%)?

Humbers perfect game is also considered equal to the no hitter that Zambrano threw.

Buerhle's perfect game was 94, which means that Wood could have had a walk, another hit, and then 2 earned runs and equal to a guy who didn't let a single batter even get to first base?


I once complained that people take arbitrary numbering systems like this and use it as 100% fact. A certain someone told me that no one that knows what they are talking about does this.

It's actually a really simple question here. If Kerry Wood was so dominant that the discussion is "useless", why did he let anyone on base?

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the better chance of winning is allowing zero base runners and zero hits

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It is really too bad Kerry Wood did not go to Purdue, then we would have a clear answer right now

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It is too bad that you use that joke every time.

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BS, you cannot even recall the last time I used it.

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The league average for shots made in an NBA game is about 45%. Would it not be remarkable if a defender held a player to 0%?

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You done been RFDC'd... it happens to a lot of us. The old, broken down (like a drum ) 4 year old joke that he uses.

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I'm fairly certain the last time I mentioned Buerhle vs Wood or Zambrano you used it.

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If someone took 27 shots, then yes it would.

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What worn out old joke do I use with you?

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Evil jack or sandy pussy
Frank would be light bulbs, radio shack or forklifts
lipid would be mom, basement, or both
BR would be that fact that most Purdue grads can't read

The list goes on and on but I'm too busy trying to figure out SHARKS posts to list more.

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So you agree that a perfect game is as good as you can do?

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Im not really presenting it as 100% fact, just kinda baiting people from that arguement. Glad you saw that though. But I do defer to Bill James on all things baseball. I hold him up as smarter than everyone else.



Because one of the non hard hit balls against him that day went for a hit.

In your thinking, If a pitcher gave up 27 line drive shots all over the field, that players made spectacular catches on, that would be better. I disagree.

If you believe in the 3 true outcome theory, then a pitchers job is to Strikeout the batter and to not give up a homerun. All else is subject to chance.


Perfect games are more effective. Wood was more dominant.

Just Bill James, TrickyBeck, me and some others opinions. No big deal.

What if one guy had a perfect game with 27 strikeouts?

Would that be better than or equal to the other Perfect games?

What would you say was more impressive?

Someone who held an opponent to 0-27,

or someone who held an opponent to 1-28, and also had 20 blocks?

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You got a bad memory there Sandy Jack.

Radio Shack? Huh? Fork lift yes, but radio shack and light bulbs...no.

I do not think I have ever said anything about mom to lipid. Basement yes, but that was over like 3 years ago.

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The better chance of allowing zero base runners and zero hits comes from letting them hit the ball as little as possible.

great point...whatever formula james used here is bullshit and should be laughed at.

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I guarantee you don't believe that to be true. If you watched a pitcher throw 12 strikeouts, give up no home runs, and give up 12 runs on the rest you'd think they played badly. If the same pitcher did that but gave up one run you'd say they did well.

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Hey. UP YOURS!
But no really. Up yours.

Seriously though you're the second worst offender of the bad old outdated memey joke.

And up yours.

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In this case, the other guy would have had 9 blocks using Humber.

0-27 is better.

Also, didn't Wood have more than one baserunner or am I wrong?

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There was the 1 hit (which even could have been ruled an error cuz Orie booted it), and he beaned a guy.

Two baserunners.

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the basketball analogy does not work..if you were guarding someone and they kept chucking up half courters you would let them.....just like if you have sick stuff with late movement and guys are just beating the ball into the ground is great.

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