what happened at the end?...those were 2 charred bodies of boys? bran and his brother? or two other kids?...good episode ...agreed that the mountain is no mountain and his voice was forced and bad..like the dude that plays the new batman forced tough guy voice....dewskie 2 things wrong...theon did not flinch after cracking that dude, he hurt his hand..and emilia clarke is not hot

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Agreed with the Arya/TYwin scenes. They have been great.

Not sure how Jon Snow talks his way out of his current situation, in the book it made sense. I will wait to see how they resolve it before I unleash a tirade of fanboy fueled anger.

Qarth is stupid as hell and it makes me not like Danerys.

Not enough Tyrion, but there can never be enough.

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so is bran dead? and his brother?

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The Tyrion/Cersei scenes are awesome. Well acted and well written. I think what they are doing with Cersei's character in the show work very well.

The Jon Snow storyline in the show is killin' me, holmes! I can kinda see where they are going with it, but what the fuck, it was perfect in the book. Maybe it will work and maybe it won't...at this point it is a toss-up for me.

Watch. The. Show.

Or Google it if you want to know.

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Im all for being a beauty in the eye of the beholder type guy but really dude....

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Yeah.

Should we put up a "Game of Thrones: Book and Show Spoiler Thread"?

Where we can talk freely?

Im meeting GRRM at Gino's East, Buffalo Wild Wings, Al's Beef and Portillo's later on if you want to tag along and get some questions answered Some Guy.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Hmmmmm, Gino's East, BWW, Al's Beef, Portillo's? Would this happen to be in the Tinley Park-Frankfort Nexus?

Also, GRMM is fat.

And wears a funny hat.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Meh.

That's fine as the show is really damn good. If it is to be its own entity, which was stated at the beginning, I'm fine with that.

I'll read the books and enjoy them, I will watch the show and enjoy it.

There isnt enough time to be exact to the books. I am OK with most of the changes. Even cutting out Jeyne Westerling has seemed to work out OK. The biggest issue is Qarth and after next week it should be sorted out and back on track.

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Have you or anyone found a response from GRRM as to the changes this season? You stated that he was very happy that last season didn't stray from the book, but I haven't heard any comments about what he thinks of this season.

If it turns out that he is ok with it then you need to really get over it or stop watching.

As for the changes you mentioned, the only ones that are significantly different are Jon Snow and Daenerys. The only changes in Arya's so far are the characters she is interacting with. If anything, her story has improved from the books, unless you are going to say you'd rather have her interacting with Bolton as opposed to Tywin.

The only difference ni Robb's story is who his girlfriend is. And that makes no difference whatsoever in the grand scheme of things. It will still have the same result in terms of who it pisses off and why.

The only difference in the Cat/Brienne/Jaimie story is that he killed Cleos whereas in the book Cleos dies later on. Cleos is so unimportant that this change means nothing. Also, it helps them trim the fat a bit since last night's scene accomplishes the important reasoning for Lord Kastack wanting to kill Jaimie and the eventual conflict that will lead to. By actually showing Jaimie kill Karstack's son it makes it a lot easier for the viewere to follow along as oppposed to simply stating that Jaimie killed two of Karstack's sons during the battle when he was captured. So once again, they've actually improved the story.

Daenerys, I'm going to withold judgment until we see where it goes because her story in book 2 was so useless I am giving them the benefit of the doubt to see if they improve it with these changes.

As for Jon Snow, those changes make no sense since they completely change Jon's motivations and alter the story significantly not just in book 2, but later in book 3 as well.

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I believe I read that it was "based on" the books or whatever. Either way, Season 1 was obviously based on Book 1 which is probably the only book in the series that really lends itself to translating into a show. Location, time, amount of characters and not a ton of various story-lines. Anything after just wouldn't work if every season was to be an identical portrayal of the books so they have to make changes for it to not only work as a show but also be a damn good show.

As Hank said, I'm fine with the changes. If the show followed the books extremely closely than the show wouldn't be nearly as good.

You think Qarth is a bigger issue than what's going on with Jon Snow????


Unless something happens regarding Qarth in book 4 or 5 that was just ruined by the show I don't see how you can say that.

As for Snow, the changes they made so far are massive and have long reaching implications beyond even this season.

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Shakes- I think the Jon Snow story is going to resolve itself in a similar way to the book just not the same order.

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I think that Jon will still have to battle Qhorin. He is going to tell the Lord of Bones next week that he wants to be a free man and then he will try to call his bluff and show him the other captives that he has. Qhorin, Stonesnake etc. After Jon proves himself he will bang Yrgitte and the story will get back on track.

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But that only works if Qhorin tells Jon to become a double agent. And if Jon offers to become a free man to Bones before he confronts Halfhand that ruins the whole thing and makes him a genuine turncloak as opposed to a secret double agent.

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My problem with the Qarth storyline in the show is that it has made Danerys a weak little girl that is just annoying everyone and stomping her feet when she doesnt get her way. In the book she is much more powerful. She isnt necessarily confident but she is determined and has conviction. She is always saying "If I look back, I am lost". I have no respect for her current character, she just annoys me. Plus they killed off a lot of her Dothraki peeps.

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Shit, I suppose I didnt think of that. Maybe they will lock Jon up with Qhorin and he will tell him then to become a double agent.

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nah..not an option ...last time i looked something up last year i found out ned stark was going to die...never again.....i have to think there is no way that those two bodies were the two stark boys...they had a tough bitch..a giant..2 wolves and theon is only running 20 deep ..so not possible imo...and that would be too big of a scene to not show.

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it was predictable that someone was going to steal the dragons...it was mentioned twice and then it happened... agree with scorpio...dany is annoying and naive ..her story blows..it was also predictable that the richest man in qarth was in on it... therion and arya steal the show week in and week out.

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THIS.

She is strong and forward looking in the book. In the show she is coming off as a weak willed, directionless, easily fooled, little bitch.

I CANT WAIT TO SEE THE TEMPLE OF THE UNDYING. I'm hoping they keep all of the foreshadowing.

the imp

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They've completely changed Cat's motivations for her actions. In the book, she knows more about what happened at Winterfell than she does on the show.

On the show she's acting because Robb's not there, implying that she's doing this because Robb would want it done. In the book, she's acting on her own behalf quite against Robb's presumed wishes. It's a major change. I don't think for the better.

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You know me like that.

I think also that the show realizes it's not at the whim of it's creator for content time. The series could easily be cancelled after next season so they have to mold and adapt these characters into what creates the best balance for the time they have under contract.

That being said I agree with basically everything on the Dany side of things. I'm hoping by the end of this season we'll all be reassured as to who she is/what she's becoming, but what they're pretty much making her out to be now is weak and annoying.

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I know where you're coming from but I don't think the show has made it clear either way. When I watch it she held off Karstark because she knows she needs Jaime alive because he is worth more especially considering she knows the Lannisters have Sansa and she still thinks they have Araya.

what it seems to me is that rob is gone and that camp could go up for grabs over killing jaime...she wanted to keep him alive for leverage but sees that dude will not last the night...better for her to be the one to kill him then mutiny and someone else kill him...in the show they never really showed how she figured everything out rather quickly...and bran had no memory of it.i have not read the books but the show is great in my opinion....i think snow will become one of the leaders of the free people and unite his new army with rob starks

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jon snow's story may be vastly different from the book but he's been completely consistent within the show. from the start his TV counterpart is very tentative about being in the watch, and then even tries to escape. he disobeys orders from the commander when they get to craster's, and he is constantly a torn individual. none of that is a problem for me if that's the way they want to keep snow's character because in the book, he certainly makes some head scratching decisions based on his heart rather than his head. he's a stark. that's what they're known for.

all of the starks seem to follow that pattern, especially robb.

my only problem was the way they handled bran and rickon at the end. it's obvious it's not them. that's a flaw. in the book martin did it much better, and really made you think they were dead.

for the most part it's been a very well done TV show. most of the deviations from the book have at least been justified; except for dany's. that one i'm not sure about.