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 Post subject: Re: Bernstein vs. OKC
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Shaq over Hakeem? Can't get on board that train...

My brother in law (same guy who said the top teams from the 90s couldn't compete today) said that Hakeem was overrated and centers today are far more athletic than Hakeem was. Yeah...

Meatball alert!! Wouldn't the second 3 peat Bulls team blow the doors off this Miami team? 4 to 1 or maybe a sweep?

Yeah probably. This Spurs team would give them fits though. I would love to see that.

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Shaq over Hakeem? Can't get on board that train...



Okay. I'm not going to argue that. Hakeem was great too. I don't think he was as good as Shaq at his best. To me, Shaq is the most underrated of the big men. His championships, the ones where he was MVP, have somehow been assigned to Kobe. Everyone hates the big man these days.

Well Kobe had the hotter wife so that sways the opinion too.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernstein vs. OKC
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Hakeem is mad underrated.

Top 5 IMO

Just ask David Robinson.

or Shaq
or Ewing

Dude had 2 guard type skills to go along with the best post game....ever?



That isn't necessarily a good thing, though. Does it help the team to have your center out on the wing? Maybe sometimes. And the best post game ever belonged to Adrian Dantley.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernstein vs. OKC
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
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Shaq over Hakeem? Can't get on board that train...

My brother in law (same guy who said the top teams from the 90s couldn't compete today) said that Hakeem was overrated and centers today are far more athletic than Hakeem was. Yeah...

Your brother in law is out his damn fool mind.

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The Original Kid Cairo wrote:
My brother in law (same guy who said the top teams from the 90s couldn't compete today) said that Hakeem was overrated and centers today are far more athletic than Hakeem was. Yeah...


Ho. Lee. Cow.

When I think of Hakeem Olajuwon the first thing that comes to mind is "decided lack of athleticism." That's insane.

BTW, would your brother-in-law be upset that you're talking about him on the forums? :P


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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Hakeem is mad underrated.

Top 5 IMO

Just ask David Robinson.

or Shaq
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Dude had 2 guard type skills to go along with the best post game....ever?

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FYI when you type Kevin McHale into google images you get a bunch of things for some dweeby kid from glee. What the hell?

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 Post subject: Re: Bernstein vs. OKC
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Hakeem didn't play on the wings though. He got it on the block or a couple feet off and used those skills plus his agility to move circles around big guys. Then they'd stick a more nimble guy on him and he would just back him down. You can send the double at that point but Hakeem was also a very gifted passer. And defensively he could stack up against anyone ever.

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That isn't necessarily a good thing, though. Does it help the team to have your center out on the wing? Maybe sometimes. And the best post game ever belonged to Adrian Dantley.

But it WAS a good thing in this case because it worked and Hakeem was a monster all over the floor.

Im not sure Adrian Dantley had a better post game.


I know Shaq in his prime was dizzy trying to keep up with Hakeem.

Hakeem did pretty much everything Shaq did and more.


McCracken people say that about Mchale but i disagree. Hakeem was unstoppable.


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Shaq was still a good few years away from his prime in '95.

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Shaq was still a good few years away from his prime in '95.

Im not so sure about that. I dont know the numbers but I know he was more athletic with the Magic than the Lakers.


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 Post subject: Re: Bernstein vs. OKC
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Shaq was still a good few years away from his prime in '95.

Im not so sure about that. I dont know the numbers but I know he was more athletic with the Magic than the Lakers.

He probably was more athletic but he wasn't close to the dominant player he was in 2000. I'm not even sure the gap is that small.

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 Post subject: Re: Bernstein vs. OKC
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It would have been fun to see 94-95 Hakeem go up against 99-00 Shaq.

I still think Hakeem would be the better center, but I think Shaq would have held his own way more than he did earlier in his career.

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McCracken people say that about Mchale but i disagree. Hakeem was unstoppable.

I will be honest with you I only remember the very end of McHale's career when he was limping around like Frankenstien. Hakeem was really legit though I remember him putting up quadruple doubles...

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Would have been the REAL Dream Team if he took Laettner's place


Id be willing to trade Laettner's citizenship to make it happen


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Would have been the REAL Dream Team if he took Laettner's place


Id be willing to trade Laettner's citizenship to make it happen



I'm pretty sure Rolando Blackmon played on an Olympic team without being a U.S. citizen.

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Shaq over Hakeem? Can't get on board that train...



Okay. I'm not going to argue that. Hakeem was great too. I don't think he was as good as Shaq at his best. To me, Shaq is the most underrated of the big men. His championships, the ones where he was MVP, have somehow been assigned to Kobe. Everyone hates the big man these days.

Well Kobe had the hotter wife so that sways the opinion too.

I think Shaunie is cuter than Vanessa.

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Would have been the REAL Dream Team if he took Laettner's place


Id be willing to trade Laettner's citizenship to make it happen



I'm pretty sure Rolando Blackmon played on an Olympic team without being a U.S. citizen.

In 1980, before arriving in the US, Olajuwon played for a Nigerian junior team in the All-Africa Games. This created some problems when he tried to play for the United States men's national basketball team initially.[47] FIBA rules prohibit players from representing more than one country in international competition, and player must go through a three-year waiting period for any nationality change. Olajuwon was ineligible for selection to the "Dream Team" as he hadn't become a US citizen.[47]
Olajuwon became a naturalized American citizen on April 2, 1993.[47] For the 1996 Olympics, he received a FIBA exemption and was eligible to play for Dream Team III. The team went on to win the gold medal in Atlanta. During the tournament, he shared his minutes with Shaquille O'Neal and David Robinson. He played 7 out of the 8 games and started 2. He averaged 5 points and 3.1 rebounds and had 8 assists and 6 steals in eight games.




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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Would have been the REAL Dream Team if he took Laettner's place


Id be willing to trade Laettner's citizenship to make it happen



I'm pretty sure Rolando Blackmon played on an Olympic team without being a U.S. citizen.

In 1980, before arriving in the US, Olajuwon played for a Nigerian junior team in the All-Africa Games. This created some problems when he tried to play for the United States men's national basketball team initially.[47] FIBA rules prohibit players from representing more than one country in international competition, and player must go through a three-year waiting period for any nationality change. Olajuwon was ineligible for selection to the "Dream Team" as he hadn't become a US citizen.[47]
Olajuwon became a naturalized American citizen on April 2, 1993.[47] For the 1996 Olympics, he received a FIBA exemption and was eligible to play for Dream Team III. The team went on to win the gold medal in Atlanta. During the tournament, he shared his minutes with Shaquille O'Neal and David Robinson. He played 7 out of the 8 games and started 2. He averaged 5 points and 3.1 rebounds and had 8 assists and 6 steals in eight games.




Thats from memory btw


do you ordinarily footnote your memories?

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do you ordinarily footnote your memories?


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Hakeem was unbelievable.

I have a buddy who is a Houston fan. He flatly refuses to back down from his stance that Houston still would've won both titles if Jordan hadn't retired (been suspended) those 2 years.

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Hakeem was unbelievable.

I have a buddy who is a Houston fan. He flatly refuses to back down from his stance that Houston still would've won both titles if Jordan hadn't retired (been suspended) those 2 years.


I think we have the same friend. I think he is full of shit, but I do think the Rockets would have been a much tougher challenge than any of the other teams they faced in the finals.

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I'm pretty sure Rolando Blackmon played on an Olympic team without being a U.S. citizen.

In 1980, before arriving in the US, Olajuwon played for a Nigerian junior team in the All-Africa Games. This created some problems when he tried to play for the United States men's national basketball team initially.[47] FIBA rules prohibit players from representing more than one country in international competition, and player must go through a three-year waiting period for any nationality change. Olajuwon was ineligible for selection to the "Dream Team" as he hadn't become a US citizen.[47]
Olajuwon became a naturalized American citizen on April 2, 1993.[47] For the 1996 Olympics, he received a FIBA exemption and was eligible to play for Dream Team III. The team went on to win the gold medal in Atlanta. During the tournament, he shared his minutes with Shaquille O'Neal and David Robinson. He played 7 out of the 8 games and started 2. He averaged 5 points and 3.1 rebounds and had 8 assists and 6 steals in eight games.




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So much to take in here. Jordan vs magic? Come on now JORR. EVERYONE in the stadium knew who had to score 35, 40 or 50 for the Bulls. He was also, as someone said, defensive player of the year a few times. And he would have been better if he didnt have to score so much. Being the best offensive player in the league and the best defensive player in the league is just insane. Magic, who I love, is not in Jordan's league. Jordan played PG for a a couple of weeks when Sam Vincent got hurt and averaged a triple double during that span. He did it all everynight.

Pippen vs Lebron on defense- Again, Lebron is counted on to score. Pippen wasnt. Lebron plays a lot of PG, like Pippen but Lebron is a scorer. Pippen did at times but he was not a "scorer". Lebron works harder on the Offensive end than Pippen. Pippen was able to concentrate on Defense. The Bulls were not dependent on Pipp scoring. If Lebron didnt have to worry about putting up points, he'd be able to concentrate on defense even more. Lebron would be even better with extra energy needed to be a stopper. Look what he did in the final minutes of a play off game against Rose. He's great as a defender now but he would be better if he wasnt so important on the other end. Lebron is a better defender than Pip was. Not by much. JORR is right. Pippens got him on rebounding and passing if that matters.

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Best center? Come on......
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I wonder how Mrs. Bernstein feels about Dan's obviously man love for LeBron.

I think Dan thinks of Lebron when he has relations with his wife.


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