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Got a feeling this discussion will yield a few meatball callers. Mission accomplished, Dan!


I can't stand when the narrative these days is strictly to upset people. However, he's exactly right here. Make whatever jokes you want, but I was a fairly talented tennis player in high school. I bought in on the program, and a different way of living life, just like football players did. Dan's point is you don't have to slam your brain into other kids to become successful and belong to something.



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David Haugh reads this board, and I think he's a little girl. No way he would call to defend himself. Look at the little girly columnist. Fishing, baiting meatball mode off

David Haugh probably doesn't know who the hell we are...

SHARK, Im going to tell you something and I want you to remember it and repeat it as Gospel as if Mac said it...


Every single media member in Chicago who does radio reads this board regularly. Every single one.

Not so sure about that...If David Haugh has any balls, he tries to explain himself to "Boers & Bernstein" and not appear on "The Joker's Wild", I mean CSN's "Chicago Tribune Live" after the Giants finish off the Cubs today at AT&T Park.

By the way, as for that remark I made a few minutes ago, I was being honest...


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What is the point here?

Anyways, I didn't read the Haugh column, but did he really say that the only way to grow as a person etc is to play football? BernSTINE is making it seem like he gave no other alternative to "growing up and learning lessons". Is this true or not? Because Dr. Bernstine is basing much of his criticism on that point.


This is exactly why I don't post in this section these days. I understand Bernstein has a confrontational way of presenting things, which always gets guys like you upset. You are creating your own anti-Bernstein narrative, which makes you disprove anything he says. Do you have to play football to be a better person?

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A David Haugh/Dan Bernstein debate on football safety is like a evolution vs. creationism debate where Snooki argues for the pro-evolution side.

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I'm struggling to understand why the Chicago Transit Authority would shutdown the entire Red Line (which is the right move) on the Southside for a full construction project, yet do the station-to-station construction project up north.


Because there's no sense in denying the north side its L service if it doesn't have to be. durr.

but Sox attendance! WAH BUTTHURT

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I'm struggling to understand why the Chicago Transit Authority would shutdown the entire Red Line (which is the right move) on the Southside for a full construction project, yet do the station-to-station construction project up north.


Because there's no sense in denying the north side its L service if it doesn't have to be. durr.

but Sox attendance! WAH BUTTHURT

Aww, my Matt Rodewald is a bumbling idiot thread is no more. RIP thread.

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A David Haugh/Dan Bernstein debate on football safety is like a evolution vs. creationism debate where Snooki argues for the pro-evolution side.


:lol: But it would be interesting to listen to and would make for a nice break from the usual nonsense on here.

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SomeGuy wrote:
What is the point here?

Anyways, I didn't read the Haugh column, but did he really say that the only way to grow as a person etc is to play football? BernSTINE is making it seem like he gave no other alternative to "growing up and learning lessons". Is this true or not? Because Dr. Bernstine is basing much of his criticism on that point.

Yes, but then he takes it back. Weird.


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Football helped raise a small-town boy into a man and often parented me while my own parents struggled to make ends meet. Football paid for the college education and created opportunities that made me who I am.

I feel confident my wife and I can teach those lessons to our 11-year-old son if he never plays football. I have little doubt he would learn them quicker if he does.


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Aww, my Matt Rodewald is a bumbling idiot thread is no more. RIP thread.

Oh, that was a thread? Crap, I forgot!

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Paging Joe Bartosch...


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Paging Joe Bartosch...

No.

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Aww, my Matt Rodewald is a bumbling idiot thread is no more. RIP thread.

Oh, that was a thread? Crap, I forgot!

This was from a while back, at least two and a half years ago. Google turns up nothing.

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No.

Why not? Bartosch is better than Matt Rodewald.


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How old is Haugh? Was he was playing at North Judson when Radtke was coaching there?

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How old is Haugh? Was he was playing at North Judson when Radtke was coaching there?

I don't think he's that old...


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Not listening to this hypocritacal assbag bernstein anymore, but for someone who constantly yells at callers that he needs proof he needs to read more about youth football, high school football and NFL and head trauma. Mayo Clinic has done studies, the CDC has done studies, hell even NIOSH has done studies and none of them back the hysteria that dr bernstien spews. But I guess none of them gots the smarts that he does.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
How old is Haugh? Was he was playing at North Judson when Radtke was coaching there?


He was born in 1968, which would put him in high school in the mid 80s. I believe Radtke left NJ in 86, so it is pretty likely.

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What is the point here?

Anyways, I didn't read the Haugh column, but did he really say that the only way to grow as a person etc is to play football? BernSTINE is making it seem like he gave no other alternative to "growing up and learning lessons". Is this true or not? Because Dr. Bernstine is basing much of his criticism on that point.


This is exactly why I don't post in this section these days. I understand Bernstein has a confrontational way of presenting things, which always gets guys like you upset. You are creating your own anti-Bernstein narrative, which makes you disprove anything he says. Do you have to play football to be a better person?


Huh?

Bernstine is speaking of Haugh's article in the light of Haugh taking the "you can only learn these life lessons etc IN FOOTBALL", I simply asked if that was the case, did Haugh take that line, did he say that in the article or is it just what BernSTINE is taking from it? What "Anti-Bernstine" narrative did I present by asking that question?

From the Column: http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0603-haugh-chicago--20120603,0,2636201.column

-Experiences inform all of our parenting decisions. Mine tell me that if my son wanted to play football, the potential rewards outnumber the risks. Perhaps yours compel you to say your son never will take those chances. Both of us are right. I won't tell you how to raise your kid if you won't tell me how to raise mine.

-So far he prefers the kind of football the Fire play, and Messi and his idols on Man U play, not the Bears. My wife is relieved and I am happy if he is. But if his interests ever change and he asks dad about trying the sport he knows I appreciate, I would encourage him without hesitation.

-I feel confident my wife and I can teach those lessons to our 11-year-old son if he never plays football. I have little doubt he would learn them quicker if he does.

I read the article and the above quotes stick out (I know RPB posted them already), those don't look like a parent telling other parents that football is the only way to be a man and learn life lessons. Not even close and the rest of the article confirms that tone as well. I don't really disagree with BernSTINE on this either, it's just he shouldn't take an opinion article and scream about it for saying something that it clearly doesn't.


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SomeGuy wrote:
Absolutely.

And we get BernSTINE reading the article verbatim now with smarmy remarks in between and Terry making noises and agreeing with everything. We are getting parenting tips as well.


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And Terry saying "yeah" to everything Bernstein is saying.


I'm not listening, just following the thread, but as annoying as Dan gets in these situations Terry doing what you guys mentioned is even more insufferable/unlistenable.


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I'm a nerd and I checked it out. Coach Radtke was there from 77-86 and I found an old box score from a regional game that Haugh played in from 85.

This makes sense now why he thinks you have to play football. If anyone on earth had the fire and da pashin it was Coach Radtke. Made Ditka look like a choir boy.

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Not listening to this hypocritacal assbag bernstein anymore, but for someone who constantly yells at callers that he needs proof he needs to read more about youth football, high school football and NFL and head trauma. Mayo Clinic has done studies, the CDC has done studies, hell even NIOSH has done studies and none of them back the hysteria that dr bernstien spews. But I guess none of them gots the smarts that he does.

This sounds pretty bad...


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I'm concerned about childhood head injuries caused by contact sports. What are the possible effects of concussion in children?

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Most sports-related head injuries, such as concussions — which temporarily interfere with the way the brain works — are mild and allow for complete recovery. However, concussion in children also can pose serious health risks, ranging from temporary memory lapses to fatal brain swelling. Also, concussion in children sometimes goes unrecognized, as symptoms may not be noticed right after the injury.

Head injuries take time to heal. Your child will need time to rest until his or her symptoms are completely gone, which usually takes several days. Your child should rest from both physical and thinking (cognitive) activities, as these can worsen symptoms.

After your child's head injury, your child risks other complications if he or she returns to sports and other activities before his or her concussion has healed. Another blow to the head while the initial concussion is healing can occasionally result in fatal brain swelling — a condition known as second impact syndrome. Also, a young athlete who sustains a concussion is at risk of developing postconcussion syndrome, which is characterized by persistent concussion symptoms such as headaches, dizziness, irritability and difficulty with thinking skills, such as memory and attention. These symptoms can be particularly confusing for a child, as well as his or her family and teachers, if the child doesn't realize he or she has had a concussion. Researchers continue to study other potential long-term effects of concussions. Once a child has sustained his or her first concussion, he or she is at a higher risk of sustaining another. The effects of multiple concussions over years can be cumulative.

To protect your child from head injuries, insist on appropriate and properly fitted protective equipment — such as a helmet — during sports and other activities. However, helmets and mouth guards don't protect against all concussions. Also, make sure your child knows that even a mild bump or blow to the head can cause a concussion, and that concussions don't always involve a loss of consciousness. Signs and symptoms of a concussion may include:

Headache or a feeling of "pressure" in the head
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If you think your child has sustained a concussion, seek medical help immediately. Your child's doctor will determine how serious the concussion is and when it's safe for your child to return to sports, school or other activities.


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I'm a nerd and I checked it out. Coach Radtke was there from 77-86 and I found an old box score from a regional game that Haugh played in from 85.

This makes sense now why he thinks you have to play football. If anyone on earth had the fire and da pashin it was Coach Radtke. Made Ditka look like a choir boy.


No doubt. Radtke is a legend around da region. Would love to see the box score, got a link?

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Man, I fucking hate when they do this show! Even if they're responding to a column or something someone said, CTE/head injury stuff is just not entertaining radio to me. And I don't even disagree with them on the topic itself, but motherfuck man...this is just so boring to listen to. The same talking points over and over and over for the past 2+ years. Man...

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Oh hey, on this whole Sox-biased CTA thing:

Ignoring the likelihood that the south side trackage is in worse condition than the north side's, because well yeah, here's why you do the north side piecemeal and the south side at once:
North Side Red Line Stops, By Block Number:
76, 74, 70, 65, 62, 59, 56, 53, 50, 48, 46, 39, 36, 32, 24, 16

South Side Shutdown:
22, 35, 47, 55, 63, 69, 79, 87, 95

OBVIOUSLY the reason you don't shut down the entire north side is because the goddamn stations are like two or three blocks apart, and people who use Jarvis can just use Morse or Howard in the meantime, and vice versa, while someone who gets on at 87th can't well get on at 79th instead. THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T SHUT DOWN AN ENTIRE RAILROAD. SHIT. FOR. BRAINS.

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Man, how they are extrapolating all this crap from Haugh's article is fucking hysterical. Totally tilting at windmills and thrashing at ghosts., classic B&B.

They are pretty much lying about the Haugh article, if not it's they are damn close.. You don't need to do that to get a very valid point across.

Football mythology in U.S. culture, power of coaches, damage caused etc are all valid, you don't need to take this line on arguing them.


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Man, how they are extrapolating all this crap from Haugh's article is fucking hysterical. Totally tilting at windmills and thrashing at ghosts., classic B&B.

They are pretty much lying about the Haugh article, if not it's they are damn close.. You don't need to do that to get a very valid point across.

Football mythology in U.S. culture, power of coaches, damage caused etc are all valid, you don't need to take this line on arguing them.


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I'm a nerd and I checked it out. Coach Radtke was there from 77-86 and I found an old box score from a regional game that Haugh played in from 85.

This makes sense now why he thinks you have to play football. If anyone on earth had the fire and da pashin it was Coach Radtke. Made Ditka look like a choir boy.


No doubt. Radtke is a legend around da region. Would love to see the box score, got a link?

http://ifca.zebras.net/ifca/candler/foot-85/nj_jim.htm

It was a Regional Loss for NJ. Haugh had a fucking game though 11 catches for 151 yds and 2 TDs. Apparently Radtke didnt use the Wishbone offense until he came to Griffith. I think that might have been the season stats for one WR at Griffith. :lol:

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It was a Regional Loss for NJ. Haugh had a fucking game though 11 catches for 151 yds and 2 TDs. Apparently Radtke didnt use the Wishbone offense until he came to Griffith. I think that might have been the season stats for one WR at Griffith. :lol:


Awesome thanks. Radtke ran the bone at NJ, but they had Kirk Manns as QB and he was a great athlete and could it all. Haugh caught 11 out of 13 completions. Impressive.

One of those mid 80s years with Radtke they set all kinds of rushing records and had I think 3 guys with over 1000 yds.

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So they're accusing Haugh of being sexist in the article, but aren't these the same guts who belittle female athletes and female sports all the time?

Aren't these the same guys who questioned the gender of Britney Griner?


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So they're accusing Haugh of being sexist in the article, but aren't these the same guts who belittle female athletes and female sports all the time?

Aren't these the same guys who questioned the gender of Britney Griner?


Uh, yeah, they are the gentlemen who said those things.


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