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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:18 pm 
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YAY! So some wealthy group with more clout than the others forced this trainer/owner to retire the horse in order to keep the trainer's shady business "quiet'.


I think it was a little late for that. He was asked about it on the national broadcast after the Kentucky Derby.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 11:20 pm 
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
I'm not sure how you make money fixing a horse race when the pools at most tracks are so shallow. The risk/reward is way out of whack.

The "reward" is obvious.
What's the "risk" that far outweighs the reward?

Somebody gets suspended for a month after the multiple infraction:

1). move to another track
2). Move to another state
3). "Ghost" own/train the horse
4). Bet on another dirty horse(s) your connected with
5). Wait a month

Wow. That's some risk.

Get busted in any other major sports league, you're essentially done for years or life. You;re way off on your comparisons.

1.) Not with reciprocity agreements, which are pretty much universal
2.) ditto
3.) ask Rick Dutrow about that.
4.) Betting doesn't have anything to do about this. See JORR's point. The pools are too shallow. Rewards are peanuts.
5.) depends on the infraction. In O'Neill's case, even where he's been "guilty" the punishing body has said that the positive-testing horses are just above the legal limits and that they don't suspect things like milkshaking. Also, we're not talking about drugs, but oxygen absorption, which is very temporary.

Once again, people need to understand what O'Neill is actually accused of having done, then compare to this case. They should also understand his record as a whole.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 6:58 am 
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I'm guessing the casual observer doesn't really grasp the conditions of today's racing industry. There are relatively few places where the motivation to try to set up a race to cash a bet exists. When you have large pools and relatively low purses, it lends itself to chicanery. However, in this era of slots-fueled purses, you've got places that hardly handle anything yet offer gigantic purses. There are lots of things that are wrong with racing in 2012. Fixed races isn't one of them.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 9:03 am 
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Good banter guys.

But there is still money to be made.


My official picks:


Win: Paynter (9)

Place: Dullahan (5)

Show: Union Rags (3)

4th: Street Life (1)

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Live updates of the toteboard here: https://wagering.nyra.com/toteboardnyra ... PARK&rn=11 (Churchill really needs to do this for Derby day).

Also, I think I will be wagering real money on Atigun, but not very much.

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I really think Union Rags is sitting on a huge race for Saturday and wins the Belmont Stakes. He got a horrible break in the Derby, left slowly and made up ground late. I think the jockey change is big too. John V. knows Belmont.

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I had a win on Paynter so upset I missed that, but I had the exacta and the trifecta so that helped out. Thank you Dr. Ken for your $50 All-Star Challenge! :thumleft: Otherwise, not sure I throw in the 4.

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Almost played out like I wanted to :shock: Had seconditis at Belmont yesterday :( Which i equate to a round of golf shooting a 92 and birdie a hole....it keeps you coming back :D

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I should have listened to you IB and Vince.....On two different trifecta's (including the GF's), we both had it Union Rags and Paynter. Had I listened to you all, I would have put Atigun in a few more.

Fuckin Dullahan disappointed the hell out of me.

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Fuckin Dullahan disappointed the hell out of me.

I agree with you, but I'll put it more on the jockey than the horse. I don't know how any horse can close on a mile and a half from more than say 5 lengths back. The horse is going to be too tired to fire. I'd have to look at some past Belmont videos to make sure I'm not talking out of my ass, but I would have liked to have seen them keep Dull a little bit closer to the lead.

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