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PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:40 am 
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I read they were going to start him the 5th game before the all-star break and the 5th game after the all-star break. That would give him 13 days rest between starts. Outside that I agree with limiting his pitch counts. He did throw 136 innings just 2 years ago between college, minors and the majors so he's not in uncharted waters like many believe.


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This just in: Chris Sale is really good.

Yeah, this is going to put them in a bind... you can't let Sale pitch a full 200 inning season, so you are going to have to shut it down at some point. They need to avoid turning him into Prior. Yet, he is your most effective starter, and with any mediocre run support (3 or more runs) you anticipate winning while he's on the bump. I'd love to see the Sox get up by 6 or 7 games at the All-Star break where it is easy to shut him down, but if you're in a situation where you are within 1 or 2 games, that's tough to do. I hope they have the foresight to see the potential you have in this kid over the next 10+ years. Maybe they can move him to an every other turn starter... I'd love to have him in the playoffs, but I also don't want to see him jump into the 230-250 range of IP over a year after never having made it to 100 previously.



There is one thing they might consider and it was done last year under Ozzie....go to 6 starters. Leave Quintana in the rotation when Danks returns and go with 6. That way Sale doesn't have the innings piling up as quickly and Peavy (who actually leads the team in innings this season despite spending over a month on the DL each of the past 5 seasons) would get more time to recover as well. The 6 man rotation is not a good idea for many teams because it means fewer starts for the teams top starters in a rotation. But in this case, it would make sense, as it would be a benefit to those top 2 starters. Plus, Quintana has done a nice job so it's not like they would be inserting a weak starter into the rotation. If they don't do this, they might well leave Quintana in the rotation anyway and remove someone else from it. Just something to consider.

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I read they were going to start him the 5th game before the all-star break and the 5th game after the all-star break. That would give him 13 days rest between starts. Outside that I agree with limiting his pitch counts. He did throw 136 innings just 2 years ago between college, minors and the majors so he's not in uncharted waters like many believe.



WRONG....he will be at 160 innings pitched by mid August at the rate he's going. He would be at around 225 for the season. Having the wisdom to shut him down when he gets to 150-160 innings ......well, we will see if they have it. If they are too caught up in trying to win the division and having him compete further in the post-season (shouldd they qualify) they would be taking a big risk on an exttremely valuable commodity.

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Humber gives the Sox almost zero chance to win. Get him the fuck off this team or at the very least out of the rotation.

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I am absolutely done with Humber. Fuck you Cooper, fix this fucking guy or send him down. The Sox should not be losing to this team.

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Eddie Gaedel is having a good game today for the Astros.

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At least the Sock didn't get swept at home by the Astors like the Cub did. So, you Sock fans have that going for you...

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 Post subject: Re: Interleague
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Keyser, what is your opinion on what they do with Sale? Do they let him go the whole season or do they limit him and shut him down at some point?

This is an easy choice.

If the Nats can shut down Strasburg, the Sox can shut down Sale. They'll need him for years to come.

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Why can't the White Sox win at home?


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Why can't the White Sox win at home?


Lack of fan support.

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Keyser, what is your opinion on what they do with Sale? Do they let him go the whole season or do they limit him and shut him down at some point?

This is an easy choice.

If the Nats can shut down Strasburg, the Sox can shut down Sale. They'll need him for years to come.

Who says limiting innings makes any difference? Relievers get injured, no? Lack of arm strength will lead to injury no matter the pitcher. They need to throw in order to be able to pitch.
Regardless, some will be injury prone, no matter the number of innings of the context of the pitches thrown. That has not changed since the game began. However, one can strengthen the arm just by throwing.

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If the Nats can shut down Strasburg, the Sox can shut down Sale. They'll need him for years to come.
Sale has not had Tommy John surgery.

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 Post subject: Re: Interleague
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If the Nats can shut down Strasburg, the Sox can shut down Sale. They'll need him for years to come.
Sale has not had Tommy John surgery.

Good point.

I've changed my mind. Pitch him this year until he blows his elbow out, then limit his innings in 2014.

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If the Nats can shut down Strasburg, the Sox can shut down Sale. They'll need him for years to come.
Sale has not had Tommy John surgery.

Good point.

I've changed my mind. Pitch him this year until he blows his elbow out, then limit his innings in 2014.

If it's a fait accompli, then get it over with now, why wait?

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 Post subject: Re: Interleague
PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 9:20 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Interleague
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
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If the Nats can shut down Strasburg, the Sox can shut down Sale. They'll need him for years to come.
Sale has not had Tommy John surgery.

Ya know, Ive heard this a couple times, but Im pretty sure they had this plan of working his innings up before the injury.

He only pitched 68 his first year. I doubt they were targeting him for unlimited (200+) the next year


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 Post subject: Re: Interleague
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Why can't the White Sox win at home?


Lack of fan support.

That's a good question, guys. NOT one team in the AL Central is .500 or better at home, and that includes the Indians, in spite of their 3-2 10 inning win over the Reds in Cleveland last night.


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