If Elmhurst Steve had made this post we'd all be laughing, especially the part in bold.

So, basically the answer as to why the Cubs organization is going to be better than the White Sox is "We have Theo". Just come right out and say it.

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So...this thread should be about the series. Neither team is playing particularly well. With the warm temps, balls could be flying out of the Cell left and right.


The Sox are better now, no question about it. Next year the Sox will probably still be better. After that, who knows. But in terms of "I would rather be the Cubs than the Sox in 5 years", there is a much better chance that the Sox win one (or maybe 2 ) WS in that timeframe than the Cubs.

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I love the Theo talk.

It's like watching the Moneyball movie. It's all super under the radar gems like Hatteberg and David Justice and getting walks but Chavez, Moulder,Zito, Hudson are all ignored.

"Advanced metrics", super secret algorithms so complex they have to be fed through a supercomputer stationed at the DoD, "SABRmetrics"....and the names Ramierez, Ortiz,Schilling, Nomar,Damon etc....and of course a HUGE FUCKING PAYROLL, all go by the wayside. It was all Doug Mientkiewicz and Gabe Kapler plus CARMINE oh and defensive placements that Theo called down from his pressbox/computer room.

And as for the Cubs/Sox series, who cares? Both teams aren't going anywhere. The Sox might, but probably not. It makes for a predictable day of sports radio, though.

Now I'm going to go stick my head in the oven.

Assuming Dunn at least provides what he normally does, the only problem there is Rios. AJ can go at any time. Konerko probably goes from MVP candidate to above average, even if he gets an extension for a year or two. Hudson doesn't matter.

Even Rios only has 2 years after this.

The Sox also have some money to spend pretty much every year too with big contracts going away each of the next 3 years between $15 - $27 million. This is also a team that is paying $30 million less in payroll this year than they did last year. Hypothetically, Kenny could spend up to $60 million in added salary in 2015 or $45 million next year.

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Theo Nathan Epstein
839-619 .575 Winning pct
93.22 wins per season
6 of 9 seasons in playoffs
2 World Series Titles


Kenneth Royal Williams
929-854 .521 Winning pct
84.45 Wins per season
2 of 10 Seasons in playoffs
1 World Series title



Not sure you can call Kenny Extremely successful.

A little above average

Sure, Im not sayinig they're screwed. But they DO have some guys to replace very soon and without looking Id wager they are one of the older teams in the league. Starting 9 anyway.

Well I'd rather have Chris Sale than any player in the Cubs organization going forward. I can only assume you purposely omitted him. Konerko is playing great for being 36 and Dunn doesn't look like he is slowing down. As brick said, Peavy will be gone. I dont think anyone can say the book is written on Floyd or Danks. Addison Reed seems promising as a closer also. I have no knowledge of their farm system but I'll agree that it's average at best.

On the other hand you have a historically bad Cub team, with little hope outside of Starlin on the roster now. As brick has been saying, you are basically saying you would rather be the worst team in baseball and hope to luck out with draft picks, and then throw money at the roster. The problem is, from what I can tell, teams that build through the draft and are starting at rock bottom take awhile. Rays, Nats, O's(maybe?) come to mind. If you miss on your David Price, Longoria, or Bryce Harper it may take even longer. But the Cubs have additional revenue at their disposal you would say. I don't really know how big an advantage that is. Henry had that revenue at his disposal. Theo's weakness, if he has one as a GM, would seem to be on the proper allocation of money from a big budget to free agents. I'm not sure that's a cause for optimism.

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Why are you purposely omitting one(maybe two actually) very relevant figures from that comparison?

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You know how you always deny being a White Sox hater? Well, I'll remember you saying Kenny's results were "a little above average" the next time you do.

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Uh, its true IMU. A left handed stud of a starting pitcher is better than anybody the Cubs would have to offer at this point.

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I'm not sure what this means Beardown.

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That's fine. You take your hitting and get the Texas Rangers going. I'll take pitching and beat that good offense in the playoffs. Good pitching is going to beat good hitting in a 7 game series. You get 2 or 4 Chis Sale types and they are going to beat your "left handed middle of the order every day play" 9 times out of 10. They may get a hit here or there, but won't get a series win.

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How come you don't want to take their respective payrolls into consideration now?

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So you think every prospect the Cubs have will work out.

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Is that the staff that has accomplished the unprecedented feat of building three last place clubs simultaneously?

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Im sorry, how would you describe making the playoffs 20% of the time and an 84% winning pct


Im not a Kenny hater, YOU WAY over rate him.


And I just showed you how much better Theo's track recrod is, but you see them as equals.


I correctly rate him as above average or pretty good.

You have him as a Top GM, when the numbers clearly show, he is not.


You are way too much of a homer when it comes to the Sox. Everything they do is right.
Im not sure I can remember one time you've ever criticized anything they've done.


But lets be clear, Kenny Williams is not considered a TOP GM by any non Sox fan.

Saying he's above average is not an insult. Its accurate.

84 Wins per season, Playoffs once every 5 years (in a terrible divison)

So you expect just about every prospect to hit his potential for one of the worst franchises(in terms of winning) in the history of sports?

Yeah you're definitely a Cub fan.

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Ummmm. SHUT UP, that's why.

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A statistical fuckin' anomaly.

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I didnt say anything about payrolls.

The results are the results.

You think calling Kenny a little above average is an insult and only White Sox hate like WhiteSoxFanRick thinks?


If 84 wins per season and playoffs 1 of every 5 years is great for a GM, then the White Sox must have terribly low expectations, regardless of payroll.

You can say this about any teams prospects.

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So you're saying you expect one or more of the prospects to work out.

I'd trademark this before Steve uses it on air.

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But his results have been better than many who are considered "better".

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I have news for you. Not all of those guys will work out. I bet 2 or 3 might not ever make the Cubs. Maybe they don't make an MLB roster ever, maybe they are traded. To bank on the fact that most of those guys will either do well or contribute at the big league level is asinine.

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Just last week you and trickbeck wanted to couch a discussion based on wins per dollar spent. Now suddenly that doesn't count? Let's get a position and stick with it.

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Humber perfect game > Wood 20K game using your own logic.

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RPB, I refuse to believe that you think all teams results should be viewed in an equal light. If that's the case it must really suck for a team like the Royals that they can't even get a Kenny Williams level GM over 2-3 decades.

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Actually I think using that logic it would be
Humber game = Wood game.

1 win = 1 win

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No, thats not true.

All I said was that Trickybeck was posting facts and not excusing anything Theo does like you said.



I find it funny that Rick seems to think Kenny Williams is one of the top GMs in the game with the very average results he's had.

Does anyone who isnt a Sox fan think Kenny is a great GM?


And if you want to talk about payroll, both the Sox's were usually 2nd in spending in their division for most of the GM's tenure (at least since Det started spending) and Theo still was better.


Im sorry but arguing Kenny has had as much success as Theo is just dumb. He hasnt.