Just like with Hitler, some things that people do are unforgivable. Sorry Lebron.

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So, most of those sound like arrogance or leaving Cleveland. The tape thing, OK, but that hardly makes him history's greatest monster. As for passing too much, shouldn't that make Lebron James the favorite basketball player of white people? MAKE THE EXTRA PASS! PLAY AS A TEAM! If it were the other way Lebron would be a selfish jerk who hogs the limelight every time he failed. Now he's a passive ninny every time he fails. There's no winning, because he's arrogant and left Cleveland.

By the way, everything I said about Chicago is still true, and undisputed. If he chose the Bulls he would have been making the same easy-road decision as with Miami, but Bulls fans would be talking about how basketball smart the decision is. At worst he'd get AJ Pierzynski treatment "he's an asshole but he's our asshole and look at his winning smile." But he didn't, so he's a jerk that can't win on his own. He needs Shane Battier or something.

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Haven't see that before.

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Assuming that Wade and Bosh weren't coming with him that isn't true.

You could argue that Rose is better than Wade now, but Rose also has proven a lot since then. Also, Rose doesn't have a title. Wade did.

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But when you add that all up, its just a douchebag that no one wants to root for.

Im not saying he's the worst person in the world. Maybe he is, maybe he isnt. (He probably is)

But he's certainly easy to root against

Also add the flopping to the list. Dude is the strongest player in the league, and his flailing around like he's Mani Ginobli out there. It's an embarrassment to the league.

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I guess I need to expound.

1.) The Decision didn't draw backlash because he left Cleveland. It was because of the way he quit in Cleveland the last two games he was there(which is inarguable), and the public way he shit on Cleveland on the way out. Nobody blamed him for leaving. That was mostly Danny Ferry's fault. It was the way he left there that put everyone off. Everytime you try to simplify it to "leaving Cleveland" it gives the impression you don't know why people dislike him. I'm sure you'll say BFD, but it clearly was to NBA fans.

2.) stop saying the Chicago thing is a parallel. It's not. Before the 2011 season Rose was a rising star but he wasn't an MVP or considered a candidate for the award preseason. Wade was considered a top 5 player and a main rival of LeBron's. That's where all the MJ/Barkley/Magic/Bird criticisms stemmed from. It's one thing to join another star, but another rival's team was pretty surprising. Also the reason people hate the Miami thing so much is because they feel the players cheated. Not by trying to take an easy road to a title but by skirting the CBA rules and effecting the competitive balance of the league. There's a better than good chance that the whole plan had been in the works for sometime. It explains LeBron quitting in Cleveland and it explains Bosh refusing trades and being wishywashy with Toronto his last season there. Then with Wade coming to Chicago and the other guys going to other cities it prevented those teams from acquiring other players in the mean time. That doesn't fall under arrogance or leaving Cleveland, and it doesn't have a parallel to Chicago.

Stop the "worst person in the world" strawman IB. Noone has ever said that. It make you look silly.

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Turning this into a logical argument kind of misses the point.

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It's been disputed and invalidated several times.

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Did he really do this? I'm not familiar with this story.

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All I heard was Wes took care of it. Seriously.

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He was dunked on.

It was taped.

LeBron went over and talked to the guy with the camera

Tape dissappears


Thats what we know

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OK, number one is pretty much arrogance and he left Cleveland and was mean about it. Keep in mind that this is apparently reason to hate Lebron James in perpetuity, whereas if you talk about, say Mike Vick and dogfighting, all you get is eyerolls and "why are you so hung up on the past, man?"

As for two, there is a certain uneasiness about a system where rich white people can dictate where players must go. In any event, the NBA did this to themselves by capping compensation for free agents. If Lebron is only going to make as much as the 27th best player in the league, and every team is willing to offer him exactly the same contract, it's no surprise he'll make his decision on things like where his friends play, and where there is no state income tax, and where women walk around in public in thongs. If that skirts the competitive balance of the most competitively unbalanced professional sports league, well, tough shit. It's Lebron's career and life, and maybe he doesn't want to play for Golden State, even if the league would be super-riffic if he did.

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But wouldn't it be all over SC and shows everywhere via home-DVR's at the very least? How could he "steal" a tape from an NBA game?


edit: Got it. Not from an actual NBA game.

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IB - if you're just gonna ignore everything we write then there's no use in engaging in this. I don't think you're as obtuse as you're pretending, so maybe it's just a lack of understanding about the NBA.

People still dislike Vick quite a bit for his crime. To suggest otherwise is just inaccurate.

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Real Question for James haters:

What would LeBron have to do now for you to like him again?

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OK Hub.

The attitude towards Vick, both on this board and elsewhere, is a mixture of "get over it" and "why don't you hate murderers this much, you murderer-supporter?"

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I'm never gonna like him as an athlete. And I never did. Which is fine. It'd be a weird sports world if everyone liked everybody. I've already said a couple times I've gained a lot of respect for him as player in the last month. That's about as far as I'll go.

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That's a good question. I guess my answer would be to do something that makes himself likeable. He destroyed any goodwill he had with the decision and other stuff. What has he done since then that should change my opinion? Of course he's been good at basketball but I didn't dislike him for basketball reasons. It's the opposite. I love how he plays. I wish I could enjoy it now.

Even when he pretends like he understands or cares about why people didn't like him he comes off as either defiant by saying that the people who don't like him still have to go back to their lives or fake. To be honest, I don't think he regrets anything he did. He only regrets that he destroyed his brand and made it a lot harder to be a "global icon".

So, I guess my answer is "be likeable off the court".

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Also add in that Lebron doesn't cut his own steak.

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he could stop being a douchey bitch all the time?

Maybe like is the wrong word. How 'bout respect? Lots of people hated Michael Jordan, but you had to respect what he did on the court. LeBron is killing it right now. Will this change anyones feelings about him as a player if/when he closes this series out?

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He's shown more ability to finish this year, but he's always been a great player


He's a douchebag. Maybe he'll change.

Somebody (can't remember who) said that LeBron is playing like the Clevlend LeBron just with better players around him. I'd agree with that. Something has changed (I hope). Him winning would go a long way in the way I feel about him as a player.

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If he opts out in 2013 and gives the Heat the Decision treatment, I'll start printing t-shirts for the fan club.

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@Lebrons_Leg is now following me on twitter!

I don't think I could ever like LeBron again but who knows. I actually was rooting for Kobe a few years back because I couldn't stand the Celtics. And then this year was rooting for the Celtics against the heat cause I hate LeBron and Wade so much. I have so much hatred to go around.

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