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Yasiel Puig. Another Cuban defector. Similar numbers to Cespedes, but 5 years younger. Cubs and Sox both interested. Should sign before July 2nd to avoid new CBA financial limitations.

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Put down the cool-aid everyone. Vitters has no chance of making it on this Cubs team.
Let’s face it, for someone who was drafted with the #3 overall pick 5 years ago he will never achieve what people thought he was capable of doing. When you look at his old scouting reports, the thing scouts kept talking about was how good his eye and power numbers were. Neither of those have ever shown up at the minor league level in any eye-popping fashion. He appears to be more of a gap hitter who NEVER walks. Last season he walked 22 times, but 8 of those times he was hit by a pitch. So that means 14 walks during an entire season. The other thing to be concerned with is his strikeout rate is going in the wrong direction. Throw in the fact that his defense is questionable at best and I can promise you he will drop out of the top ten of any organizational prospect list before next season rolls around (he’s all ready long gone from any national prospect rankings).
He simply does not fit the mold of what this organization wants to be going forward. Starlin Castro is an exception (so far) to this new philosophy (impatient hitter who does not work the count), and Vitters is no where near as talented. He should be traded away along with one of the veterans on the big league roster in an attempt to get more prospects back who fit what the Cubs are looking for because I think his value will continue to trend down. Mine as well get something for him now while you still can. Either way, Josh Vitters will never be a valuable player on the big league roster.

"Mine as well" ask you this - since when is a hit batsman considered to be a base on balls too?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:30 am 
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Vitters has a chance to be an above average major league 3rd basemen. He's shown the ability to adapt at every level so a full year at AAA, a Sept call up, then who knows?

He may be one of these guys that 3-5 years down the road develops into a consistent .270/22/80 type of guy with a decent at best glove.

If he gets to that level, I'd take it.


Put down the cool-aid everyone. Vitters has no chance of making it on this Cubs team.
Let’s face it, for someone who was drafted with the #3 overall pick 5 years ago he will never achieve what people thought he was capable of doing. When you look at his old scouting reports, the thing scouts kept talking about was how good his eye and power numbers were. Neither of those have ever shown up at the minor league level in any eye-popping fashion. He appears to be more of a gap hitter who NEVER walks. Last season he walked 22 times, but 8 of those times he was hit by a pitch. So that means 14 walks during an entire season. The other thing to be concerned with is his strikeout rate is going in the wrong direction. Throw in the fact that his defense is questionable at best and I can promise you he will drop out of the top ten of any organizational prospect list before next season rolls around (he’s all ready long gone from any national prospect rankings).
He simply does not fit the mold of what this organization wants to be going forward. Starlin Castro is an exception (so far) to this new philosophy (impatient hitter who does not work the count), and Vitters is no where near as talented. He should be traded away along with one of the veterans on the big league roster in an attempt to get more prospects back who fit what the Cubs are looking for because I think his value will continue to trend down. Mine as well get something for him now while you still can. Either way, Josh Vitters will never be a valuable player on the big league roster.


Since May 1st, Vitters has had the same numbers in AAA as Edwin Encarnacion this year in MLB. Obviously he's not going to be worthy of the 5th? pick in the draft, but he does always steadily improve at each level and hopefully can be a .800-.850ish OPS player at some point.

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Northside_Dan wrote:
theoisnottheanswer wrote:
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Vitters has a chance to be an above average major league 3rd basemen. He's shown the ability to adapt at every level so a full year at AAA, a Sept call up, then who knows?

He may be one of these guys that 3-5 years down the road develops into a consistent .270/22/80 type of guy with a decent at best glove.

If he gets to that level, I'd take it.


Put down the cool-aid everyone. Vitters has no chance of making it on this Cubs team.
Let’s face it, for someone who was drafted with the #3 overall pick 5 years ago he will never achieve what people thought he was capable of doing. When you look at his old scouting reports, the thing scouts kept talking about was how good his eye and power numbers were. Neither of those have ever shown up at the minor league level in any eye-popping fashion. He appears to be more of a gap hitter who NEVER walks. Last season he walked 22 times, but 8 of those times he was hit by a pitch. So that means 14 walks during an entire season. The other thing to be concerned with is his strikeout rate is going in the wrong direction. Throw in the fact that his defense is questionable at best and I can promise you he will drop out of the top ten of any organizational prospect list before next season rolls around (he’s all ready long gone from any national prospect rankings).
He simply does not fit the mold of what this organization wants to be going forward. Starlin Castro is an exception (so far) to this new philosophy (impatient hitter who does not work the count), and Vitters is no where near as talented. He should be traded away along with one of the veterans on the big league roster in an attempt to get more prospects back who fit what the Cubs are looking for because I think his value will continue to trend down. Mine as well get something for him now while you still can. Either way, Josh Vitters will never be a valuable player on the big league roster.


Since May 1st, Vitters has had the same numbers in AAA as Edwin Encarnacion this year in MLB. Obviously he's not going to be worthy of the 5th? pick in the draft, but he does always steadily improve at each level and hopefully can be a .800-.850ish OPS player at some point.


Did you seriously try to compare a 5 year minor leaguer's last month and a half to a guy who has been in the bigs for 8 years (not to mention Encarnacion has been bad all of June - two homers only so it's almost a back handed compliment)? You do realize one guy is going against minor league pitchers while the other is going against major league pitchers, right? I mean I'd like to hear a more level comparison. Maybe you can find another player who spent 5 years in the minors, had a decent month in AAA and then went onto become an above average major leaguer. If not, stop trying to compare him to anyone at the big league level. Doing this kind of stuff only makes us Cub fans look more foolish. Vitters is a bust and will never be on the big league club as a positive contributor. He simply doesn't fit the type of player the Cubs are looking for now. Even if he could put up the numbers he is in AAA at the big league level Theo still wouldn't have him as part of the long term solution.
Oh, and by the way, he hasn't improved each year. His OPS has been up and down from one year to the next.


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Please stop insulting future HOF Josh Vitters.




But seriously, the sarcasm couldn't have been laid on heavier. Although, he HAS improved at every level with increased time there.

Low A Ball 1st season OPS .451, 2nd Season .863
A Ball 1st season .643 2nd .886
AA Ball 1st season .675 2nd .770
AAA ball 1st season he's at .798 right now

So yes, he's improved with more time at each level. Couple that with the fact he was taken out of high school and has had numerous flukey injuries in the minors, projecting his ceiling is a .800-.850 type player isn't that crazy.

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Levine reporting that Rizzo will be with the big club this weekend. Saturday marks the point in which the Cubs have control for another year.

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Levine reporting that Rizzo will be with the big club this weekend. Saturday marks the point in which the Cubs have control for another year.


With all the breathless anticipation one has heard about him, one hopes this Rizzo character isn't the next Ty Griffin, Gary Scott, Mike Harkey, etc.

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Don Tiny wrote:
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Levine reporting that Rizzo will be with the big club this weekend. Saturday marks the point in which the Cubs have control for another year.


With all the breathless anticipation one has heard about him, one hopes this Rizzo character isn't the next Ty Griffin, Gary Scott, Mike Harkey, etc.


1st BM failures:Hal Breeden (Danny's brother),Gonzalo Marquez & what about that rookie who made the cover of TIME about 30 years ago? I gorgot his name but he was supposed to be the Cubs next HOF'r.

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Don Tiny wrote:
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Levine reporting that Rizzo will be with the big club this weekend. Saturday marks the point in which the Cubs have control for another year.


With all the breathless anticipation one has heard about him, one hopes this Rizzo character isn't the next Ty Griffin, Gary Scott, Mike Harkey, etc.

Ty Griffin never even made past AA. :cry:

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[quote="jimmypasta

1st BM failures:Hal Breeden (Danny's brother),Gonzalo Marquez & what about that rookie who made the cover of TIME about 30 years ago? I forgot his name but he was supposed to be the Cubs next HOF'r.[/quote]

It was Karl Pagel and it was the Wall Street Journal
that ran a story on him. He flopped but moved on to Cleavland.

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Levine reporting that Rizzo will be with the big club this weekend. Saturday marks the point in which the Cubs have control for another year.

I don't know if you want to replace STEVEN SCOTT CLEVENGER at 1B....They should take the cautious approach with Rizzo that paid such dividends with Micah Hoffpauir, Jake Fox, and Bryan LaHair and wait until he is 30 to bring him up.

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Still no word on whether Rizzo is in Arizona yet even though he can't play until tomorrow. There is word that they may hold off for a few days so that no grievance is filed by the players union over the blatant timing of this promotion. That came from the bald sack of shit who spends most of his days blowing Crane Kenny for inside information so I dont believe a word of it.

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There is word that they may hold off for a few days so that no grievance is filed by the players union over the blatant timing of this promotion.

This can't be the first time this has ever happened...right?


Isn't there some kind of category called something like Super 6 where mlb time is accrued towards fa because of a peculiar call up?

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There is word that they may hold off for a few days so that no grievance is filed by the players union over the blatant timing of this promotion.

This can't be the first time this has ever happened...right?

If its within the rules then I can't see them having any case.

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Ok,so the Cubs own him one more year by doing this half-season call up.
BUT,if they had him from day 1, maybe the ballpark is at capacity about 10 more times because the Cubs actually won about 6 or 7 more games thanks to a quality bat in the lineup to compliment LaHair and Soriano. How many millions were lost there?

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Ok,so the Cubs own him one more year by doing this half-season call up.
BUT,if they had him from day 1, maybe the ballpark is at capacity about 10 more times because the Cubs actually won about 6 or 7 more games thanks to a quality bat in the lineup to compliment LaHair and Soriano. How many millions were lost there?

Maybe he will fill the ball park but not until probably that extra year they own his rights. His presence this year may sell a handfull of tickets for a series or 2 and then its back to business as usual.

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Ok,so the Cubs own him one more year by doing this half-season call up.
BUT,if they had him from day 1, maybe the ballpark is at capacity about 10 more times because the Cubs actually won about 6 or 7 more games thanks to a quality bat in the lineup to compliment LaHair and Soriano. How many millions were lost there?



I think your biggest flaw as a fan is the inability to see things in a big picture. It's not like the Cubs are dying for attendance. They are 7th as probably the worst team in the league. IMU is right and the risk wasn't worth it considering the millions they'll save by waiting

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BUT,if they had him from day 1, maybe the ballpark is at capacity about 10 more times because the Cubs actually won about 6 or 7 more games thanks to a quality bat in the lineup to compliment LaHair and Soriano. How many millions were lost there?


Let's say he was up with the Cubs from day 1. If they win 72 games this season, is it that much better than winning 65 games?


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The local DIII kid is tearing it up for the AZL cubs so far....3 games but 6 hits is pretty damn impressive.

5 for 5 tonight and the game is far from over....that is Soto's hit quota for a month.

6 for 6!!!! who the hell ever goes 6 for 6??? I don't care if its the AZL. No one ever goes 6 for 6.

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Way to go Tim Saunders!!! It is doubtfull that any other Cub player this season has more hits in 1 single game than you did tonight. Keep kicking ass and get to Boise or Peoria asap.

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They're saying tonight or tomorrow...

I saw tomorrow so he could avoid Santana.

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Putting someone in a situation to have early success doesn't mean the organization thinks his psyche is brittle.

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Rizz is in the lineup today for Iowa.

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Don Tiny wrote:
Northside_Dan wrote:
Levine reporting that Rizzo will be with the big club this weekend. Saturday marks the point in which the Cubs have control for another year.


With all the breathless anticipation one has heard about him, one hopes this Rizzo character isn't the next Ty Griffin, Gary Scott, Mike Harkey, etc.

Corey Patterson, Felix Pie. etc


The thing is, Im not sure any of them had these kind of numbers in the minors. They all had certain areas they were "working on" when they were called up. Pie was pretty good in AAA, not this good though.


Hopefully Rizzo is ready to go


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Everyone on Twitter is stating tomorrow is the day for sure now.

Good.


He has officially been called up. Today was his 162nd game at AAA.


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The Iowa Cubs officially announced Monday that Anthony Rizzo has been promoted to the majors.


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Everyone on Twitter is stating tomorrow is the day for sure now.

Good.

He has officially been called up. Today was his 162nd game at AAA.

No, he hasn't.


Yes, he has. As announced by the Iowa Cubs.


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