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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:05 pm 
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Will the Bulls match? I wouldn't do it given his fairly low production and the future cap problems that the contract would create. Your sources must know if they are going to match the offer....

The Bulls have insisted they would match any Omer Asik offer, but I'm not so sure this is worth it. 3 points, 5 rebounds for a guy who is offensively challenged? It's not my money.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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Will the Bulls match? I wouldn't do it given his fairly low production and the future cap problems that the contract would create. Your sources must know if they are going to match the offer....

The Bulls have insisted they would match any Omer Asik offer, but I'm not so sure this is worth it. 3 points, 5 rebounds for a guy who is offensively challenged? It's not my money.

Let me start off by saying that I don't think the Bulls should match this contract under ANY circumstances.

But, can people please stop referring to Omer's stat line of 3 Points, 5 Rebounds when saying why the Bulls shouldn't match this offer? He brings much more to the floor than what is recorded in the stat sheet. Is he worth $8 million per year? Absolutely not. But he does have value and brings alot of intangibles. Lay off my guy, SHARK.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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Shark, could another team offer Asik a contract too?

I'm not sure. Right now, nobody can sign anybody on the dotted line until July 11th under NBA rules.

Asik already signed Houston's offer sheet. That means he is no longer allowed to receive other offers. He will be a Rocket or a Bull next season. Hopefully a Rocket.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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Yep Eric Gordon is a fucking moron. Says he will demand a trade if the Hornet match.

Eric Gordon wants to go to Suns

By Ric Bucher

Eric Gordon is in Las Vegas vying for one of the final spots on the U.S. national team that will play in this summer's Olympics. He wants to go to London. But he doesn't want to come back to New Orleans.

Gordon, a restricted free agent who has a four-year, $58 million offer sheet from the Phoenix Suns, believes they are more committed to his future than the New Orleans Hornets. The Hornets acquired Gordon from the Los Angeles Clippers last season in the deal that sent point guard Chris Paul to the Clippers.

Paul didn't want to be in New Orleans any longer, either, and Gordon suggested if the Hornets match the Suns' offer and retain him, they'd be looking at a similar situation. The four-year offer from the Suns, a source said, includes a player option on the fourth year.

"Phoenix just showed a lot more interest, overall, and definitely in how they negotiated," Gordon said. "I don't know what New Orleans' plans are for me. There are no negotiations right now."

GM Dell Demps declined to comment on Gordon's remarks, but a league source said the Hornets are fully committed to matching the Suns' offer sheet. The Hornets identified Gordon as their most talented player even after they drafted Kentucky power forward Anthony Davis with the No. 1 pick and plan to retain him as, if nothing else, an asset.

That the Hornets drafted Duke guard Austin Rivers with the 10th pick also makes Gordon question exactly what their plans are for him.

"They drafted another shooting guard, a combo guard like me, which tells me they have another plan," Gordon said.

The Suns' recent committments -- point guard Goran Dragic and small forward Michael Beasley -- are a better fit, Gordon suggested.

"Phoenix signed two other young guys that are very talented," he said. "They're already established and they're already going to get better."

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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Yep Eric Gordon is a fucking moron. Says he will demand a trade if the Hornet match.

Eric Gordon wants to go to Suns

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Eric Gordon is in Las Vegas vying for one of the final spots on the U.S. national team that will play in this summer's Olympics. He wants to go to London. But he doesn't want to come back to New Orleans.

Gordon, a restricted free agent who has a four-year, $58 million offer sheet from the Phoenix Suns, believes they are more committed to his future than the New Orleans Hornets. The Hornets acquired Gordon from the Los Angeles Clippers last season in the deal that sent point guard Chris Paul to the Clippers.

Paul didn't want to be in New Orleans any longer, either, and Gordon suggested if the Hornets match the Suns' offer and retain him, they'd be looking at a similar situation. The four-year offer from the Suns, a source said, includes a player option on the fourth year.

"Phoenix just showed a lot more interest, overall, and definitely in how they negotiated," Gordon said. "I don't know what New Orleans' plans are for me. There are no negotiations right now."

GM Dell Demps declined to comment on Gordon's remarks, but a league source said the Hornets are fully committed to matching the Suns' offer sheet. The Hornets identified Gordon as their most talented player even after they drafted Kentucky power forward Anthony Davis with the No. 1 pick and plan to retain him as, if nothing else, an asset.

That the Hornets drafted Duke guard Austin Rivers with the 10th pick also makes Gordon question exactly what their plans are for him.

"They drafted another shooting guard, a combo guard like me, which tells me they have another plan," Gordon said.

The Suns' recent committments -- point guard Goran Dragic and small forward Michael Beasley -- are a better fit, Gordon suggested.

"Phoenix signed two other young guys that are very talented," he said. "They're already established and they're already going to get better."


This guy is such a fucktard. He also complained about how little NO negotiated with him on a new contract. Probably because they didn't have to. Why would they pay more than the going rate?


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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Nas thinks that's a bargain for a franchise center.


Partially right. I think that's a bargain if he can ever consistently keep his head out of his ass. He shows flashes of greatness and then you wonder how he's in the NBA the next game. Thought he would have been a great addition to the Lakers.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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Eric Gordon is only trying to force the Hornets hand. It's not personal. It's all business. If they match it he'll change his mind within a month. Smarten up people.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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In another unforeseen twist of this wild offseason, sources say Jason Kidd has decided to leave Mavs and join Knicks on a multiyear deal


Smart move. The Mavs aren't going anywhere and Melo and Amare would buy what he's selling over Lin.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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Eric Gordon is only trying to force the Hornets hand. It's not personal. It's all business. If they match it he'll change his mind within a month. Smarten up people.


Maybe. Or he could be as smart as Dwight Howard. Will know in a few months.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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Eric Gordon is only trying to force the Hornets hand. It's not personal. It's all business. If they match it he'll change his mind within a month. Smarten up people.

We'll see. He did make himself look like a straight dumbass with those comments. It doesn't help the stereotype that NBA players are terrible decision makers.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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League executive: "There are the 'name guys' and 'everyone else.' Prices on 'everyone else' seem to be falling. 'Name guys', going up."

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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League executive: "There are the 'name guys' and 'everyone else.' Prices on 'everyone else' seem to be falling. 'Name guys', going up."


This is the way it should always be. Unfortunately many teams have already overpaid for marginal players this off season.


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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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League executive: "There are the 'name guys' and 'everyone else.' Prices on 'everyone else' seem to be falling. 'Name guys', going up."

I think I know what he's trying to say, but he doesn't clarify it very well. Is Eric Gordon a name guy? I guess Jason Terry and Jamal Crawford arent name guys, but Omer Asik is?

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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This is the way it should always be. Unfortunately many teams have already overpaid for marginal players this off season.

And the teams are trying to use the excuse of the 90% cap floor the new CBA established. Nothing in there says the contracts all need to be four years. There should be about 10x more 1/2 year deals in the NBA every year than there is. But people who run NBA teams are NBA-stupid. They can't save themselves from themselves.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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What a Big Three in New York!

Had to answer the Big Three in Brooklyn, and the Bigger Four in LA!

Knicks on their way to maybe having home court in the first round of the playoffs!

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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Offer sheet for Lin will pay him $5M in year one, $5.2M in year two and $9.3M in years three and again in team


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New York has $64M committed to four players in 3rd year of Lin deal when he'll be on books for $9.3M -- which doesn't include Jason Kidd.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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KAAAHHHHHHHNNNNNN!!!!!!! RT @AlexKennedyNBA Brandon Roy has agreed to a two-year, $10 million deal with Minnesota, according to sources.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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Not much appears to have changed on Bulls' front: Still talking to Hinrich, Courtney Lee camps.

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 Post subject: Re: Free Agency 2012
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What will the winning bid be for his services?

Reports: 76ers to amnesty Elton Brand

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Elton Brand has had a couple of solid seasons for the Philadelphia 76ers, but that wasn’t enough for them to keep him around at one of the highest salaries in the league.

The 76ers are going to use their amnesty clause to wipe Elton Brand — and the final year and $18 million — off their books, reports Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo (and since confirmed by multiple sources). Brand still gets paid his money but it disappears from the official team salary books.

The 76ers need to do this to bring back Spencer Hawes and sign Nick Young to a new contract.

Brand averaged 11 points and 7.6 rebounds for the Sixers last season and was fairly efficient (he had a PER of 18 this season, 18.5 last season), but he didn’t really grab a lot of boards and his defense was suspect.

The reality is Brand is still a serviceable NBA big man, just wildly overpaid at $18 million.

Under NBA amnesty rules, the teams under the salary cap can bid on Brand’s services and pick up a portion of his contract. That means the Mavericks, Trail Blazers, Suns, Hornets, Cavaliers, Rockets and other teams could bid on his services. The team with the highest bid would get his services. (To explain, if a team bids $3 million for Brand and that is the highest bid, he plays for that team and they pay him $3 million and the other $15 million he is owed comes from the $76ers. Only the salary bid counts against the new team’s salary cap.)

This is the 76ers one amnesty.

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He could probably get a bid of about 3-5 million for the 1 year remaining on his deal.

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Bulls really are taking it easy this off-season.

Let us say they get Kirk and Lee and even throw in Asik....what does the 2013 free ajent period hold for them? Anyone of note up for grabs? Or will they be finally getting that star player that will put them over the top a la Rip Hamilton?


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The Bulls would be idiots to match Houston's offer for Asik. Money could be spent elsewhere on a better player.

And I do mean John Salmons.


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The Bulls would be idiots to match Houston's offer for Asik. Money could be spent elsewhere on a better player.

And I do mean John Salmons.


So the big 3 of Noah, Salmons and Rose.


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So the big 3 of Noah, Salmons and Rose.


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Do you all think the Bulls are tanking it (a la Spurs from 97-98) for a chance at a lottery pick next year?

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Do you all think the Bulls are tanking it (a la Spurs from 97-98) for a chance at a lottery pick next year?

I doubt it. The talk now is that Deng might not even have the surgery after the olympics. Someone needs to Nancy Kerrigan his ass quickly.

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Do you all think the Bulls are tanking it (a la Spurs from 97-98) for a chance at a lottery pick next year?


What choice do they have? Too much bad money rolled up into contracts and GarPax doesn't want to pay any luxury taxes. Unless they are flying under the radar and bringing in a big name while unloading Deng and Noah (or something similar), 2013 is gonna be rough.


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