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So, you hardly ever go to the gas station, huh? How is that electric bill or do you live somewhere you get to plug your car in for free?
Is your carbon footprint smaller now? You do realize that more than likely coal is used to make the electricity to recharge your "green" car? Douchebags.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:23 am 
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Its ok because they think they are saving money.

It is like the people I know that will drive 20 mins out of their way to save 5 cents a gallon on gas. They think they are saving money. But in reality they just are not very bright.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:35 am 
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Its ok because they think they are saving money.
They are though. I believe the Volt is between $1 to $2 of electricity for a 30-40 mile trip on electric alone. Depending on the current price of gas that can be a savings of 50% or more.

The problem right now is that the cost of the car is more so you give up a lot of those savings by the purchase price. That won't be true forever.

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Its ok because they think they are saving money.
They are though. I believe the Volt is between $1 to $2 of electricity for a 30-40 mile trip on electric alone. Depending on the current price of gas that can be a savings of 50% or more.

The problem right now is that the cost of the car is more so you give up a lot of those savings by the purchase price. That won't be true forever.

The price of the car is so much more that it will take you 10 years to recoup it in fuel savings. And since these cars are newer, the costs of repairs are unknown, and I am guessing they will be more expensive as well since they have systems which are totally unique to electric cars.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:38 am 
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The price of the car is so much more that it will take you 10 years to recoup it in fuel savings. And since these cars are newer, the costs of repairs are unknown, and I am guessing they will be more expensive as well since they have systems which are totally unique to electric cars.
Agreed. The economics of hybrids didn't make sense for many years too though and that was less of a major change.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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The price of the car is so much more that it will take you 10 years to recoup it in fuel savings. And since these cars are newer, the costs of repairs are unknown, and I am guessing they will be more expensive as well since they have systems which are totally unique to electric cars.
Agreed. The economics of hybrids didn't make sense for many years too though and that was less of a major change.


Every piece technology has to start somewhere. Will it end up being successful? I don't know.


A slightly updated/freshened Volt will be out in 2013 with the Gen2 debuting around 2015.


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Unless something is perfect right when it was introduced, it should be scrapped immediately. :evil: :evil:

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Unless something is perfect right when it was introduced, it should be scrapped immediately. :evil: :evil:


I guess the opponents of technological advances want to drive these:

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Unless something is perfect right when it was introduced, it should be scrapped immediately. :evil: :evil:
Many of the same people who think the Volt sucks also think that American car companies were stupid to be behind the times on hybrids and that the foreign auto companies were smart to be on that trend quickly.

The Volt may not be the future, but a Volt-like car is the future.

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I don't think the technology is what people have the biggest problem with. It's the ridiculous marketing campaigns and political pressure to use new technology before it has proven to be beneficial in the long run.


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So, you hardly ever go to the gas station, huh? How is that electric bill or do you live somewhere you get to plug your car in for free?
Is your carbon footprint smaller now? You do realize that more than likely coal is used to make the electricity to recharge your "green" car? Douchebags.


You're right. The government should force them to disclose this in their commercials.

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Big Chicagoan wrote:
I don't think the technology is what people have the biggest problem with. It's the ridiculous marketing campaigns and political pressure to use new technology before it has proven to be beneficial in the long run.

How dare our politicians encourage American car makers (that we gave billions of dollars to) to be innovative and perfect the future in automobiles.

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Douchebag wrote:
Big Chicagoan wrote:
I don't think the technology is what people have the biggest problem with. It's the ridiculous marketing campaigns and political pressure to use new technology before it has proven to be beneficial in the long run.

How dare our politicians encourage American car makers (that we gave billions of dollars to) to be innovative and perfect the future in automobiles.



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Mr. Reason wrote:
So, you hardly ever go to the gas station, huh? How is that electric bill or do you live somewhere you get to plug your car in for free?
Is your carbon footprint smaller now? You do realize that more than likely coal is used to make the electricity to recharge your "green" car? Douchebags.


You're right. The government should force them to disclose this in their commercials.
Yes. The government should force car companies in advertisements to explain basic things like "electricity is something you pay for" when you plug in the wall. Consumers have no idea of this concept.

Toaster companies should have to do the same. MAKING THAT TOAST IS NOT FREE!

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Big Chicagoan wrote:
I don't think the technology is what people have the biggest problem with. It's the ridiculous marketing campaigns and political pressure to use new technology before it has proven to be beneficial in the long run.


It makes total sense to be outraged over a marketing campaign.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Mr. Reason wrote:
So, you hardly ever go to the gas station, huh? How is that electric bill or do you live somewhere you get to plug your car in for free?
Is your carbon footprint smaller now? You do realize that more than likely coal is used to make the electricity to recharge your "green" car? Douchebags.


You're right. The government should force them to disclose this in their commercials.
Yes. The government should force car companies in advertisements to explain basic things like "electricity is something you pay for" when you plug in the wall. Consumers have no idea of this concept.

Toaster companies should have to do the same. MAKING THAT TOAST IS NOT FREE!


Disclosure to consumers: energy consumes resources and is never free.

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Disclosure to consumers: energy consumes resources and is never free.
:lol:

They probably also should let them know that cleaning the car will raise your water bill.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Disclosure to consumers: energy consumes resources and is never free.
:lol:

They probably also should let them know that cleaning the car will raise your water bill.


Next thing you're going to tell me is that I have to pay to use the interwebz.

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Isnt progress good? This is the FIRST of its kind. BEfore any other country. The world and the auto industry thinks this car will change everything. But to some this car is a failure. I dont get it.


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Let's be honest with ourselves here. The reason some people don't like this car is because they think that these crazy leftist pinko flag burners are out there promoting it at the expense of traditional gasoline-fueled cars and against the forces of our 100% perfect market-driven economy.

My only question is this: unless you are a majority shareholder in Exxon Mobil or BP, why are you in any way upset about this vehicle or its marketing campaign?

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So, you hardly ever go to the gas station, huh? How is that electric bill or do you live somewhere you get to plug your car in for free?
Is your carbon footprint smaller now? You do realize that more than likely coal is used to make the electricity to recharge your "green" car? Douchebags.
At least it's American coal.

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The worst part of these commercials is the fricking moron woman that actually brags that she hasn't been to the gas station in so long that she has forgotten how to put gas in her car.

Seriously?

The douche bag that approved that marketing gem should be castrated.


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Anyone who pays $40K for the first ever version of this technology has rocks in their head. Maybe I'll buy an electric car 10 years from now after the technology is more mature & advanced, but right now buying one of these is a huge roll of the dice. The most interesting dynamic to follow with the electric car -vs- traditional gas engine car will be when electric car sales begin to approach significant levels that will result in a reaction from the oil companies. At some point oil & gas prices will fall in order to entice people to continue to buy & drive gas cars. The oil companies surely wont go down without a fight. Oil is ridiculously profitable today & they have a ton of margin & profit wiggle room.
Think about this...the average price of a gallon of gas in January 2009 was $1.95. If the price of gas was reduced to $1.95 tomorrow, the electric car development programs would all be reduced. The oil companies know this. They will react at some point. Either way, no matter what happens, the electric car development programs will have a positive economic effect on consumers.

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Let's be honest with ourselves here. The reason some people don't like this car is because they think that these crazy leftist pinko flag burners are out there promoting it at the expense of traditional gasoline-fueled cars and against the forces of our 100% perfect market-driven economy.

My only question is this: unless you are a majority shareholder in Exxon Mobil or BP, why are you in any way upset about this vehicle or its marketing campaign?

I don't think anyone really has a problem with electric cars. Some people have issues with GM and the Volt for a variety of reasons. I don't think it's because they believe it's a communist car.

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