The Bears gave up 10 points in SB XX and many called it the most impressive defensive performance in SB history.

Yet 6 teams gave up fewer points in Super Bowls prior to SB XX, I do not hear about how dominant the Jets defense was in SB III, or the Steelers defense was in SB X (gave up 7 and 6 points respectively and the 6 points was off a blocked punt).

I don't think you can always look at just stats to determine which performance was more impressive....there is the eye test too.

I agree, but then you can't cite Bill James' GameScore as "proof".

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Enjoy your vacation, that we can agree on .....but your over valuing strikeouts//what if a guy threw 27 total pitches and had 27 first strike swings that ground out to the pitcher?

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I know some people have used Bill James as proof, personally I am always leary of using stats that rely on subjective values given by a person....points for a strikeout vs a different type of out. too me its like the QB rating the NFL uses, I don't look at that as gospel either.

I don't think anyone answered this question.

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The answer to this brilliant question is too painful for certain fans. Bill "The Wizard" James' computer literally exploded while processing its implications.

That being said, as you already know, the answer is One (1).

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I sort of view this like the Josh Hamilton home run contest a few years ago. Hamilton hit shot after shot, but lost the competition because he didn't hit as many in the final round. Wood may not have had a perfect game, but it was a lot more fun to watch than the other more recent perfect games.

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So Wood's was better because it was "more fun", that is your argument?

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That and he was a rookie striking out 20 against a team with Bagwell, Biggio and Alou.

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FUN!!!

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Laugh out loud!

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If you think it was more enjoyable for you, that's completely understandable.

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I'm not saying that the Wood game was the best ever. For everyone saying it isnt, are you saying that every single no hitter was better or are we just talking perfect games. Because if so, you are just as guilty of using a flawed stat as the Bill James followers. You can allow more baserunners in a no hitter than Wood did.

I would also throw out the fact that there have been many more perfect games than 20 strikeout games. Doesnt that sort of lead to the assumption that one is a harder feat than the other?

I would probably lean toward the WS perfect game as being the best just due to the stage it was on. That took a massive set of balls to do that. I obviously never saw that game though, for all I know he was serving up pitches right down the plate and they were flashing the leather like madmen behind him to save hits.

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This is the thread about Frank Castillo's one hitter right? No? Ok then I will show myself out....

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Perfectos.

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I do not believe that anybody is arguing No-Hitters. Quite frankly, there have been some really lame No-Hitters in history (see A.J. Burnett).

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312player uses no hitters as a comparison. The rest of us use perfect games.

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I remember that game. Didn't he have the no hitter through 8 2/3? I remember Sosa going all out and diving to try to make the final out, and missing terribly.

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If Phil Humber can do it then its not that impressive. More like a perfect shame....Heh ok I am really leaving this thread now.

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I want to say Sosa managed to play it into a triple.....let me get back to you on that

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http://articles.latimes.com/1995-09-26/sports/sp-50037_1_frank-castillo


BASEBALL ROUNDUP : Cubs' Castillo Misses No-Hitter by One Strike

September 26, 1995|From Associated Press

Frank Castillo came within one strike of pitching the first no-hitter for the Chicago Cubs in 23 years, losing it on a two-out triple in the ninth inning by Bernard Gilkey in a 7-0 victory Monday night over St. Louis in Chicago.

Castillo, who struck out a career-high 13, fanned the first two batters in the ninth and then got ahead 0-2 on Gilkey.
But on a 2-2 pitch, Gilkey hit a line drive to right-center field. Right fielder Sammy Sosa charged and dived, but the ball bounced several feet away and rolled for a triple. Castillo retired the next batter on a fly ball to Sosa for a one-hitter.

Castillo (11-10) is the fifth pitcher to lose a no-hitter in the final inning this season. He was trying to become the first Cub pitcher to throw a no-hitter since Milt Pappas against San Diego on Sept. 2, 1972, which also was the last no-hitter at Wrigley Field.

Fuckin Bernard Gilkey

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I think if you want to spin it pro-Woods, you need to ask what is a better accomplishment? Striking out 20 batters or a perfect game. A perfect game relies on your defense to pick you up as well. Striking out 20 is all on the pitcher.

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The obvious counter to that would be you can lose while striking out 20, you cant lose if you throw a perfect game. Randy Johnson gave up 4 runs and lost while striking out 19. But who knows what woulda happened if he K'd the 20th guy.

All these points/counter points have been made several times here though. Dont slump on us now Hank

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I jumped in late and didnt want to read through what I assumed was Cub/Sox meatballery. I suppose I should have done my due diligence.

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Not all. Sure a lot of it is the pitcher, but there were still balls put in play and 15, 18, 20K's relies on the catcher a lot too.

Wood also hit a batter which is 100% on him. Nobody who threw a perfect game hit a guy.

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Really? That seems crazy, where do you even find a stat like that? Scott in Davenport?

I get your point but I still think striking out 20 batters is an impressive feat. You are really doing that practically on your own. You could be pitching perfectly and your shortstop could boot an easy ground ball and your perfect game is ruined. That doesnt mean that it wasnt a spectacular performance.

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That's a very Wise point.

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