Raises hand

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Raises hand

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@audioidkid

Looking for Doug's hand......still can't see it.....looks down - oh, there it is!

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it's about to punch you in the nuts...

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@audioidkid

Good thinking. Hitting him in the head would do more damage to your hand than anything else.

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Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

When your argument fails, fall back on "Where'd you play your ball?"

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Fare you well, fare you well
I love you more than words can tell
Listen to the river sing sweet songs
To rock my soul

Considering Bill James likely never played high school baseball and certainly didn't play in college it's actually somewhat amusing.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Okay, but that's apparently a realistic goal for you. It just isn't for a big league pitcher. No one has ever come close to striking out all 27 batters faced, let alone on 81 pitches.

A pitcher simply cannot strike every batter out. To the point where "trying" to do so or setting a goal of doing so is silly.

It reminds me of when I was trying to sell a Universal Life policy to a guy and he said, "Gold is a better investment." I said, "I agree, but how much gold can you buy for $41.50 a month?" When he said none, my response was, "Why are we talking about it then?" I sold the fucking policy. Treat every objection as if it is real, regardless of how ridiculous it may be.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Your response to Frank isn't universal. You and I both understand the value of Adam Dunn. That doesn't mean his strikeouts aren't a negative. They most certainly are. If you had a guy with the same power and the same walk ratio who struck out half as much, you'd have a better player. In fact, something close to that exists in Jim Thome.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Jim Thome might break the all time strikeouts record before he retires.

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My argument hasn't failed. It's just an opinion...it's not a theory or a hypothesis. I was curious if those who pitched think that throwing 21 strikeouts would be more difficult than throwing a no hitter or perfect game.

The greater feat is 21+ strikeouts.

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Sure, he's a high strikeout guy. Most sluggers are. Nothing like Dunn though. And that is reflected in his batting average.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

a 3 sac fly game would be the greatest feat.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

That's a ridiculous example. How often does the same batter come to the plate with a man on third with less than 2 outs in a game? The stars would have to align perfectly for something like that to even have a chance to happen.

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Exactly.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

How often do pitchers go out with the expressed intention to strike out 20 batters?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I don't think starting pitchers expect to strikeout 20 a game, but it is possible in every start he takes the mound.

It's possible throughout a batter's entire career to never even have the chance at 3 Sac Fly's in a game. So many things that are not even dependent on the hitter have to be in place for it to happen.

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That is what makes it all the more impressive. After all rarity = more difficulty. Right?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

as it relates to pitching, yes.

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@audioidkid

I cannot believe that this is still being debated.

How many pitchers have struck out twenty (20) batters?

How many perfect games have been thrown in a World Series?

Q.E.D.

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Ok cool. 5 balks in a game is more impressive than 20 strikeouts. After all, it's only happened once.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

My interests only go so far as to argue on behalf of Don Larsen.

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If that is your opinion...whatever floats your dingy.

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It's not yours?

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The same should be said of comparing a guy who reache 1st base via drop 3rd strike to a guy that makes an out because he drops dead on the base paths after hitting a home run.

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It's my opinion that if a pitcher shoved a baseball up his ass and sharted a 67 mph poop tube knuckle ball that ever so gently brushed back the hitter...

...better than a perfect game.

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@audioidkid

Well obviously.

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sweet...everyone agrees.

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@audioidkid

So it's subjective. Cool.

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