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Could the Cubs swing a trade where they would send (Jackson or Szczur), Vitters and McNutt to Arizona for Upton? I think Upton is the same age as Jackson and McNutt and a only year or 2 older than the other 2.

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Could the Cubs swing a trade where they would send (Jackson or Szczur), Vitters and McNutt to Arizona for Upton? I think Upton is the same age as Jackson and McNutt and a only year or 2 older than the other 2.


Cubs are on Upton's no-trade list.


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Could the Cubs swing a trade where they would send (Jackson or Szczur), Vitters and McNutt to Arizona for Upton? I think Upton is the same age as Jackson and McNutt and a only year or 2 older than the other 2.


Cubs are on Upton's no-trade list.

Who else is? Is it one of those where its every team that can afford him (essentially a full no trade?) or does he just not like the Cubs?


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Big Chicagoan wrote:
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Could the Cubs swing a trade where they would send (Jackson or Szczur), Vitters and McNutt to Arizona for Upton? I think Upton is the same age as Jackson and McNutt and a only year or 2 older than the other 2.


Cubs are on Upton's no-trade list.

Justin Upton: Upton could approve deal to teams on no-trade
Justin Upton - OF - ARZ - Jul. 17 - 11:08 am et
Justin Upton's agent, Larry Reynolds, said his client hasn't ruled out the possibility of accepting a trade to a team on his no-trade list.
Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOXSports.com reported over the weekend that Upton's no-trade list includes the Yankees, Red Sox, Indians and Cubs. It's not usual for players to include big-market teams on their no-trade list because they may be better positioned to offer financial inducements to waive the clause. As for the Indians, well, perhaps Upton just doesn't like Cleveland. Jul. 17 - 11:08 am et


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As for the Indians, well, perhaps Upton just doesn't like Cleveland. Jul. 17 - 11:08 am et


:lol: No one likes Cleveland

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The Angels are shopping Bourjos which is no real surprise. Could a Dempster and Camp for Bourjos and AAA starter Garrett Richards be a possibility?

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Chicago Cubs baseball president Theo Epstein will look at adding pitching prospects at the trade deadline, hoping to restock a depleted farm system.

The Cubs have two valuable trading chips in Ryan Dempster and Matt Garza, along with several other veterans who could be moved.

"In certain deals, I think it is," Epstein said before Wednesday's game against Miami. "I think you can express a preference for pitching, but if you're dealing with a club that has better position player prospects and you feel the position players in a certain system are a safer bet or offer higher upside, I don't think it's right to pigeonhole yourself to one situation.

"As a whole, not specifically regarding these potential deals that are coming, we need to add a lot of pitching to the system. It's not enough to have a handful or two. You need waves and waves coming through your system, and we don't have that. We don't hardly even have one wave coming, so we need to rebuild a lot of pitching depth."

With the added wild card team, more teams are considered in contention, and the Cubs are one of the only teams that are publicly discussing full scale personnel changes. They are many more buyers than sellers, which puts the Cubs in a good position.

"The trade market is still developing," Epstein said.

Asked if the Cubs could be competitive by next year, Epstein said: "We're hoping we're very competitive very soon. But yet, wanting it to be so doesn't make it so. You have to build an organization."

Epstein said signing big-name free agents isn't the answer to the Cubs problems, and that scouting and developing prospects is the only way to go.

"It's a nice way to add talent to an organization without giving up talent," he said. "But you can not make an organization that way. We have a lot of steps ahead of us that we need to take care of before we're in position to add a finishing piece or two through free agency. We'll always look to free agency. We'll always be on every free agent and see if it's the right player or the right value, but if we sat around and drew up a plan and had free agency as the answer to most of our problems, we'd be on a fool's errand there."


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Chicago Cubs baseball president Theo Epstein will look at adding pitching prospects at the trade deadline, hoping to restock a depleted farm system.

The Cubs have two valuable trading chips in Ryan Dempster and Matt Garza, along with several other veterans who could be moved.

"In certain deals, I think it is," Epstein said before Wednesday's game against Miami. "I think you can express a preference for pitching, but if you're dealing with a club that has better position player prospects and you feel the position players in a certain system are a safer bet or offer higher upside, I don't think it's right to pigeonhole yourself to one situation.

"As a whole, not specifically regarding these potential deals that are coming, we need to add a lot of pitching to the system. It's not enough to have a handful or two. You need waves and waves coming through your system, and we don't have that. We don't hardly even have one wave coming, so we need to rebuild a lot of pitching depth."

With the added wild card team, more teams are considered in contention, and the Cubs are one of the only teams that are publicly discussing full scale personnel changes. They are many more buyers than sellers, which puts the Cubs in a good position.

"The trade market is still developing," Epstein said.

Asked if the Cubs could be competitive by next year, Epstein said: "We're hoping we're very competitive very soon. But yet, wanting it to be so doesn't make it so. You have to build an organization."

Epstein said signing big-name free agents isn't the answer to the Cubs problems, and that scouting and developing prospects is the only way to go.

"It's a nice way to add talent to an organization without giving up talent," he said. "But you can not make an organization that way. We have a lot of steps ahead of us that we need to take care of before we're in position to add a finishing piece or two through free agency. We'll always look to free agency. We'll always be on every free agent and see if it's the right player or the right value, but if we sat around and drew up a plan and had free agency as the answer to most of our problems, we'd be on a fool's errand there."


The bolded part pretty much describes Hendry's last five years as GM.

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They are going to have to flip some of these position player prospects for pitching prospects. They don't have 5 years to entirely rebuild the pitching as its largely total garbage in the minors.

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As far as Chicago’s position players go, numerous teams are interested in Geovany Soto, according to a major league source. Soto is playing his best baseball of the season and would likely be available for the right package. Soto was almost traded to Pittsburgh last July before the Cubs backed out at the last minute. The Angels may be looking to upgrade the offense behind the plate and make a pitch for Soto.


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As far as Chicago’s position players go, numerous teams are interested in Geovany Soto, according to a major league source. Soto is playing his best baseball of the season and would likely be available for the right package. Soto was almost traded to Pittsburgh last July before the Cubs backed out at the last minute. The Angels may be looking to upgrade the offense behind the plate and make a pitch for Soto.


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Apparently this came out before last nights god awful botched rundown by the big vajay......but if anyone is willing to take him then good riddance.

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Big Chicagoan wrote:
Bruce Levine wrote:
As far as Chicago’s position players go, numerous teams are interested in Geovany Soto, according to a major league source. Soto is playing his best baseball of the season and would likely be available for the right package. Soto was almost traded to Pittsburgh last July before the Cubs backed out at the last minute. The Angels may be looking to upgrade the offense behind the plate and make a pitch for Soto.


:shock:

Apparently this came out before last nights god awful botched rundown by the big vajay......but if anyone is willing to take him then good riddance.

I think Hendry just didn't trade Soto last year out of spite cause he knew he was gone. Or was he fired by then? I forget the timeline

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Big Chicagoan wrote:
Bruce Levine wrote:
As far as Chicago’s position players go, numerous teams are interested in Geovany Soto, according to a major league source. Soto is playing his best baseball of the season and would likely be available for the right package. Soto was almost traded to Pittsburgh last July before the Cubs backed out at the last minute. The Angels may be looking to upgrade the offense behind the plate and make a pitch for Soto.


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Sources: #Dodgers pitching prospect Zach Lee will not be in a deal for a rental such as #Cubs' Dempster. Dodgers need offense more than SP.

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Find a better trade partner. The Dodgers usually send back shit they don't want. Theo and friends are not Hendry though so I feel better about them not getting a giant pile of shit in return like the Lilly/Theriot deal.

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Find a better trade partner. The Dodgers usually send back shit they don't want. Theo and friends are not Hendry though so I feel better about them not getting a giant pile of shit in return like the Lilly/Theriot deal.


I'm with you. They have "toss in" guys like Baker and Mantle to seal a deal against the recipients competition. I'm not expecting a top-20 prospect, but I'm expecting the front office we fully support to get the job done.

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He's a fantastic prospect which is why the Cubs are not going to get him for Dempster. They could get him for Garza but not Dempster.


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One of the Cubs' best deals in history was with the Dodgers.

Hundley for Grudzielanek and Karros.

Besides, that Zach Lee kid isn't a terrible prospect.

They specifically said he's not involved in the trade.


And that Hundley deal was 10 years ago. Both organizations have completely changed from ownership on down


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I'm intrigued at the possibility of acquiring a sandwich round pick in next years draft which is a new trading commodity. That plus a top 100 pitching prospect that is at the high A level would be great.

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He's a fantastic prospect which is why the Cubs are not going to get him for Dempster. They could get him for Garza but not Dempster.

Garza can net more than a Zach Lee...he can net a prospect more ready for the majors...like a Jacob Turner...who can probably make a team out of camp next season. While you no longer get a compensatory pick for a guy like Dempster if you trade for him...he can still be a huge part of a playoff run this year. Teams pay up for that.


Garza can net Turner and Crosby which is the trade I have been calling for since the spring. Theo can't sell short on Dempster though because he is setting the market for Garza.

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I want to say that the Dodgers also have a AAA catcher who is not bad that they obtained from the Red Sox last year. There are no catchers currently in the Cubs minor league system whatsoever. The Big Vajay is terrible and needs to be traded for his only skill which is the occasional HR. Castillo can be a backup and Stevie ballgame is a novelty that wore off months ago.

Trade the Big Vajay for Hannigan straight up!! Make it happen Theo.

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Definitely not the start from Dempster that Theo was hoping for. Now does he continue to be greedy and hang on to him for another start or does he cut bait and take the best offer on the table? Decisions decisions......


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Definitely not the start from Dempster that Theo was hoping for. Now does he continue to be greedy and hang on to him for another start or does he cut bait and take the best offer on the table? Decisions decisions......


General Managers are not fans. They aren't calling Rongey saying this guy is a bum. A lights out performance would have been wonderful, and this didn't help things. But I don't think it hurt. It's the art of the deal, and I'm happy with who I have at the table.

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I am confident Theo will get a good return for Dempster. Nothing wrong with waiting it out until the right offer presents itself.


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Need pitching more than a catcher...Castillo can still be a starter here...his defense is decent and at worst he will still be better than Soto.

Calling the game for these young pitchers in the future is going to be critically important thus getting a catcher is something to keep in mind. I have heard nothing good about Castillo's mental aptitude and ability to call a game.

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Definitely not the start from Dempster that Theo was hoping for. Now does he continue to be greedy and hang on to him for another start or does he cut bait and take the best offer on the table? Decisions decisions......


General Managers are not fans. They aren't calling Rongey saying this guy is a bum. A lights out performance would have been wonderful, and this didn't help things. But I don't think it hurt. It's the art of the deal, and I'm happy with who I have at the table.



Exactly. All GMs are well aware that Ryan Dempster is a .500 pitcher.

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Need pitching more than a catcher...Castillo can still be a starter here...his defense is decent and at worst he will still be better than Soto.

Calling the game for these young pitchers in the future is going to be critically important thus getting a catcher is something to keep in mind. I have heard nothing good about Castillo's mental aptitude and ability to call a game.

Want Koyie Hill back? That was his strong suit.

Hell no but you have to keep in mind that this is a mostly veteran pitching staff. In the future it will be a mostly young staff that needs an intelligent game caller which Castillo is not.

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Definitely not the start from Dempster that Theo was hoping for. Now does he continue to be greedy and hang on to him for another start or does he cut bait and take the best offer on the table? Decisions decisions......


General Managers are not fans. They aren't calling Rongey saying this guy is a bum. A lights out performance would have been wonderful, and this didn't help things. But I don't think it hurt. It's the art of the deal, and I'm happy with who I have at the table.



Exactly. All GMs are well aware that Ryan Dempster is a .500 pitcher.


I have never been the biggest Ryan Dempster fan, but since has returned to the starters role in 2008, he is 58-45 with a 3.63 ERA.

This is for a Cub team that is below .500 in that span.


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Definitely not the start from Dempster that Theo was hoping for. Now does he continue to be greedy and hang on to him for another start or does he cut bait and take the best offer on the table? Decisions decisions......


General Managers are not fans. They aren't calling Rongey saying this guy is a bum. A lights out performance would have been wonderful, and this didn't help things. But I don't think it hurt. It's the art of the deal, and I'm happy with who I have at the table.



Exactly. All GMs are well aware that Ryan Dempster is a .500 pitcher.

So was Ted Lilly....then he averaged 15 wins a year


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Definitely not the start from Dempster that Theo was hoping for. Now does he continue to be greedy and hang on to him for another start or does he cut bait and take the best offer on the table? Decisions decisions......


General Managers are not fans. They aren't calling Rongey saying this guy is a bum. A lights out performance would have been wonderful, and this didn't help things. But I don't think it hurt. It's the art of the deal, and I'm happy with who I have at the table.



Exactly. All GMs are well aware that Ryan Dempster is a .500 pitcher.

So was Ted Lilly....then he averaged 15 wins a year


Right. Everybody has a career peak. Do you really think Dempster is experiencing his now? Personally, I don't. But a team is only going to be looking for about 12 good starts from him. It's quite possible he can deliver that. I wouldn't pay very much for the opportunity to find out, but maybe some team will.

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