Come on RPB, you know Bricks deal around here.

Anything White Sox=good

Anything Bears=bad

I think Cutler, more than just the Bears

But yeah, the Bias is weird.

Oh well

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

I love a good BRick pile on as much as the next fella, but that's patently false.

4 playoff appearances in those 20 years

This is what Im talking about /\

You act like making the playoffs once every 5 years is beyond criticism. That's ridiculous.

Lest we forget him deeming Robin Ventura "a great hire"


No matter what happened since then, there is no logical baseball conclusion to call it a great hire right off the bat.

That is homerism.

36 or 37

Yes, the Cards and Yankees are very good.

1 for 60 is not that good either

I love a good BRick pile on as much as the next fella, but that's patently false.

Can I get a list of what organizations have been "good" the last 20 years?

I don't know if I called it a great hire. Maybe I did.

Bold part is hilarious though. Robin may be the manager of the year!

Actually, it would be at least two for 60 if they hadn't stiffed the one in 1919. And they were the heavy favorite in '59. Couldn't close that one, and yeah, that's on them. But that's four they should have won which would make them one of the better teams besides the Yankees and Cardinals.

The Cubs haven't come close since the aughts. The NINETEEN aughts. And the last one they won they shouldn't have even been in since "Merkle's Boner" wasn't really a boner. They've never come close since. The 1945 team finished last the next season with the same fucking guys. I'd be ambarrassed to talk about that.

Without looking

Yankees
Cardinals
Red Sox
Astros
Athletics
Braves
Angels



I go off playoff appearances.

Its not hilarious and you understand why so I wont waste time spelling it out for you.

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=1225534#p1225534

Most people would say that was a very good thought given what has happened this year. You say that it was just me being a homer. Maybe I just love Kyle Orton!

Rick has very little criticism for anything on the Southside


Lest we forget him deeming Robin Ventura "a great hire"


No matter what happened since then, there is no logical baseball conclusion to call it a great hire right off the bat.

That is homerism.

I still don't get why people are so down on Robin Ventura. good dolphin has gone as far to say that even if Robin Ventura is great from day one that it's a bad hire. I understand if you are concerned because he didn't sit on a minor league bus for three years or get Jack McKeon his Werthers originals for a few years but to basically decide that it was a terrible hire before he even manages his first game is an overreaction. I predict he'll be about average, with some rookie mistakes, but that could happen with any manager who hasn't been the main guy. If he learns the proper time to steal then he'll have that over Ozzie.

Now we find out if Ozzie was really the problem, which is my guess, or if it was Kenny. If it is, then Robin and Kenny are both gone in a year or two.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

Yes, I believe the playoffs are mostly luck and getting to the post season is a better indication of a good team

So the only good organizations out there are the ones who went to the playoffs at least 6 times in the past 20 years? Is that accurate?

Im in agreement with good dolphin on the matter

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

Ok, purposely obtuse Rick is here! YAY!

What about Robin's previous time as a High school coach led you to believe he would be a good manager?

or was it just that you were hopeful?

If you really had some insight that no one else in the baseball world had about why Robin was a good choice, Id love to hear it.

I havent looked too deeply into it.

Making the playoffs consistently is usually the mark of a good organization.


Are you arguing that? (Save the Marlins Outlier)

So if the Sox under Robin Ventura miraculously win 3 World Series titles, it'll still have been a bad hire?

I'm not arguing that any of those teams aren't good organizations. I'm arguing that the White Sox, who have had many good seasons too but also won a title, are also in there. Do you really think the Astros are a better organization than the Sox, especially with where they are now?

So, the parameters are the last 20 years and this year should be given even more emphasis?

What if the Sox tank the end of this year and go young? Then next year we change what we thought?

I always considered him smart and thoughtful and thought that he would do a good job in a position that doesn't require the same type of experience that other head coaching positions require. It turns out, at least to this point, that I was fairly accurate.

Why should I have to explain my accurate prediction further?

Like I wrote earlier, I have absolutely loved how Robin told Dunn to start hitting home runs again and for Peavy's back muscle to stay attached to his bones. I really cannot point to much on this team that I would attribute to Ventura's presence other than the defense being better. Robin has even continued Ozzie's philosophies on bad base running and bunting decisions.

You and me have agreed before that managers don't have that major of an impact. Therefore, it's disingenuous to then hold it against him that he has been aided by things that no manager can really effect.

In that thread referenced before, you talk a lot about how Robin isn't qualified to get this position, and yet somehow even you would have to admit he has done a respectable job.

Pick whatever criteria you want for what a "good organization" is and then decide what organizations are considered "good" in that. My guess is that most of baseball won't be included if the White Sox aren't. The standard play by you in this seems to weigh 2 more playoff appearances better than winning the World Series.