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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:44 am 
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I wonder why KW wouldn't have pursued Dempster rather than Liriano once the Braves fell through. I'm not a huge Dempster guy but I think he is better than Liriano.

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I wonder why KW wouldn't have pursued Dempster rather than Liriano once the Braves fell through. I'm not a huge Dempster guy but I think he is better than Liriano.

There's no way he would approve a trade to go to the shitiest organization in baseball

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:50 am 
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RT @BleacherNation: Phil Rogers says Cubs still trying to get Webster in Dempster deal, may be including another player to make it happen.


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RT @BleacherNation: Phil Rogers says Cubs still trying to get Webster in Dempster deal, may be including another player to make it happen.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:51 am 
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good dolphin wrote:
I wonder why KW wouldn't have pursued Dempster rather than Liriano once the Braves fell through. I'm not a huge Dempster guy but I think he is better than Liriano.

Just from hearing him speak. Kenny seems to be a big believer that AL pitchers are way better than NL pitchers.

I mean everyone knows the AL is tougher but Kenny like reeeeeeaaaaly subscribes to that theory


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RT @BleacherNation: Phil Rogers says Cubs still trying to get Webster in Dempster deal, may be including another player to make it happen.

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The word is that its Russell. I don't know if I like this. Russell is good.

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Geovany Soto Trade Update: Cubs Receive More Than Just RHP Jake Brigham

On Tuesday, the Chicago Cubs and Texas Rangers completed a trade which sends former all-star catcher Geovany Soto to Texas in exhange for 24-year old right-handed pitcher Jacob Brigham, along with a player to be named later or cash considerations. The addition of either a player to be named later or cash considerations could mean many different things, and Brett Taylor of Bleacher Nation did an excellent job of breaking down the issue:


It's possible that both the PTBNL and the cash considerations coming to the Cubs are tied to how many games Geovany Soto starts for the Rangers over the rest of this season (i.e., the Rangers may have told the Cubs they were trading for a back-up for Mike Napoli (less value), but the Cubs might want protection if the Rangers are actually picking themselves up a starters, so they can re-allocate Napoli (more value)).

Alternatively/additionally, the Cubs could simply have built themselves a hedge that, if the PTBNL(s) they're looking at doesn't perform well over the next month or two, the Cubs can just get some cash back.

Brigham is a 6-foot-3, 210-pound pitcher that was drafted in the sixth round by the Rangers in the 2006 MLB Draft as a high school player out of Florida. He is considered a back end of the rotation type prospect.

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good dolphin wrote:
I wonder why KW wouldn't have pursued Dempster rather than Liriano once the Braves fell through. I'm not a huge Dempster guy but I think he is better than Liriano.


The transition from the NL to the AL will be tough and Liriano has been good since he was put back in the rotation.


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Would NOT give up Demp and Russell for Webster. No way.

Dempster and Camp...hell yes, but I don't like giving up Russell.

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immessedup17 wrote:
Would NOT give up Demp and Russell for Webster. No way.

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What if M'am and George came with?

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immessedup17 wrote:
Would NOT give up Demp and Russell for Webster. No way.

Which Cub prospects do you NOT like?

Honestly asking because it seems like you like them all


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immessedup17 wrote:
Would NOT give up Demp and Russell for Webster. No way.

Which Cub prospects do you NOT like?

Honestly asking because it seems like you like them all


Russel isn't a prospect. He's and established lefty reliever. He has too much value as compared to a righty reliever to throw into a trade with another high value pitcher for just a prospect.


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rogers park bryan wrote:
immessedup17 wrote:
Would NOT give up Demp and Russell for Webster. No way.

Which Cub prospects do you NOT like?

Honestly asking because it seems like you like them all


Russel isn't a prospect. He's and established lefty reliever. He has too much value as compared to a righty reliever to throw into a trade with another high value pitcher for just a prospect.


If Russell is in the deal they may be sending someone else in addition to Webster.

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Big Chicagoan wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
immessedup17 wrote:
Would NOT give up Demp and Russell for Webster. No way.

Which Cub prospects do you NOT like?

Honestly asking because it seems like you like them all


Russel isn't a prospect. He's and established lefty reliever. He has too much value as compared to a righty reliever to throw into a trade with another high value pitcher for just a prospect.

He's 26.

Do you see him helping this team long term?

He's an average left having a real good season. Selling high perhaps?


And a closer look at his numbers reveals his WHIP is at a career high.


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Are the Cubs stalking big game? It's pure speculation, but ESPN's Buster Olney sees the possibility of a Justin Upton-Matt Garza package with the Diamondbacks. Upton is young enough to fit the Cubs' needs, and they have plenty of payroll space for him as he ages, but the Cubs are on the list of teams he can block a trade with, according to Olney. Garza would be a good piece for the Diamondbacks, who have badly missed Daniel Hudson, and the Cubs are willing to send along cash, which the Diamondbacks need. This would qualify as a blockbuster.


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Are the Cubs stalking big game? It's pure speculation, but ESPN's Buster Olney sees the possibility of a Justin Upton-Matt Garza package with the Diamondbacks. Upton is young enough to fit the Cubs' needs, and they have plenty of payroll space for him as he ages, but the Cubs are on the list of teams he can block a trade with, according to Olney. Garza would be a good piece for the Diamondbacks, who have badly missed Daniel Hudson, and the Cubs are willing to send along cash, which the Diamondbacks need. This would qualify as a blockbuster.


Interesting but I liked the rumor that Texas would offer 3b stud prospect Mike Olt and another unknown prospect for Garza.

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Cubs source just told me that a Dempster deal to Dodgers NOT done and that Dempster opened up to other teams & they are working hard w 1 now

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Serious game of chicken between the Dodgers& Cubs on Dempster right now...Cubs believed to have found another team..LA blinks or loses him


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I like that. They would really be buying low. Upton has superstar potential. He just needs to get his head out of his ass.


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Well Upton is a proven guy. I don't personally trust the Cubs OF prospects after Pie and Paterson. IMO his ceiling is better than any guy they have on the farm. We've already seen he come close to it.


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Makaveli wrote:
Well Upton is a proven guy. I don't personally trust the Cubs OF prospects after Pie and Paterson. IMO his ceiling is better than any guy they have on the farm. We've already seen he come close to it.

I think the upside of Soler is 60 HRs 100 steals every year for about a decade

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Dempster to the Yankees where he'll win a World Series and fulfill his lifelong dream of hosting SNL


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Dempster to the Yankees where he'll win a World Series and fulfill his lifelong dream of hosting SNL

If thats true he should take up flying small planes

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Makaveli wrote:
Well Upton is a proven guy. I don't personally trust the Cubs OF prospects after Pie and Paterson. IMO his ceiling is better than any guy they have on the farm. We've already seen he come close to it.


He is unique in that he is very young proven guy that could get a ton better and he could put butts in seats right now. It will be years before the OF prospects are ready....I don't think BJax or Ha are anything special.

That being said. I can not say now to 3b Mike Olt from Texas.

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It's absolutely nutty right now. A Ryan Dempster deal to the Dodgers appears to be dead yet again. If they wanted to play "Hardball" and not the one with MSNBC's Chris Matthews, the Cubs appear to be succeeding.


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Arizona scratched someone from AAA. Shits going down!!

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Dempster to the Yankees where he'll win a World Series and fulfill his lifelong dream of hosting SNL

If thats true he should take up flying small planes


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Arizona scratched someone from AAA. Shits going down!!

Don't think it's an OF.

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I would be fine with Garza to AZ for Skaggs and Corbin. Their GM wont be but I would be.

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I've heard Garza's name mentioned with...the Blue Jays? I don't think he's going anywhere, at least for today.


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