How is it that he was so great, so "dominating", yet in 26 of 34 games that he actually pitched (not some theoretical universe where he allowed 2.76 runs in each game) the mostly ordinary pitchers he faced performed as well or better than he did?

No-hitter
On July 1, 1990, Hawkins pitched a no-hitter for the Yankees against the Chicago White Sox at Comiskey Park but lost the game. Hawkins dominated the White Sox into the eighth inning, but after retiring the first two batters, Sammy Sosa reached on a fielding error by Yankees third baseman Mike Blowers. After Hawkins loaded the bases by walking the next two batters, Robin Ventura lofted a fly ball to left field. Rookie Jim Leyritz, fighting a blustery wind, had the ball glance off his glove for an error, allowing all three baserunners to score. The next batter, Ivan Calderón, hit a fly ball to right field, which Jesse Barfield lost in the sun and dropped for another error, allowing Ventura to score. The Yankees could not score in the ninth, giving Hawkins the loss despite not allowing a hit.
The 4–0 loss was the largest margin of a no-hitter loss in the 20th century, and Hawkins became the first Yankees pitcher to lose a no-hitter. On September 4, 1991 the Committee for Statistical Accuracy, appointed by Commissioner Fay Vincent, changed the definition of a no-hitter to require that a pitcher throw at least nine full innings and a complete game. Since Hawkins played for the visiting team, the White Sox never batted in the ninth inning and Hawkins lost the credit for a no-hitter.
A high-priced free agent in the second year of a three-year deal, Hawkins struggled for a poor Yankees team in 1990. On May 8, with just one win and an ERA of 8.56, Hawkins was offered his outright release, which he accepted. But an injury that night to pitcher Mike Witt changed his mind. Hawkins pitched much better in his next three starts, although he still had only a 1–4 record prior to the no-hitter.
In his next appearance, he faced the Minnesota Twins at Yankee Stadium in the opening game of a doubleheader. Hawkins pitched a shutout into the twelfth inning but wound up losing 2–0 – the last time a starting pitcher has pitched into the twelfth inning or later. In his following appearance, the Yankees lost a six-inning no-hitter to Mélido Pérez and the White Sox.

If you can show me such a pitcher, I will admit that he is great.

That would go down as one of the best years of all time. You really think 30-0 could ever be a fluke?

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/boxscore?gid=320802113
Dempster's team won, guess he outpitched CJ Wilson!

Pitchers win 20 games with era's over 4 often.

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

So Nolan Ryan would have been 30-0 in 87. You say they had an equally good year. Its about the W. Its not that simple

Check mate bitches!

If Ryan played for those other TEAMS he would have won more. There is no arguing that.

Name 5

(In the modern era)

in 87 Nolan Ryan had a 8-16 record. He started 34 games. He sucked right? His era was 2.70 and he had one of his lowest whips in his career. But he sucks according to JORR Gammons. Sillyness.

Jack Morris won 21 games with an era over 4in 92.
Andy Pettitte won 20 with era over 4 in 03.
David Wells and Tim Hudson in 2000 won 20 with era'a over 4.

JORR says they had better years than Ryans in 87. NO.

But Dempster has Darwin Barney and the boys on offense for him. And he sucks.

Pitchers win 20 games with era's over 4 often. JORR says those pitchers had better years than Nolan Ryan in 87. If Ryan played for those other TEAMS he would have won more. There is no arguing that.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

That's not any logic I've ever espoused, nor anyone else in this thread or on this board as far as I can tell. The fact that Dempster's team won has nothing to do with him outpitching anyone. He was in line for the loss when he left the game and he got a no decision. That happens sometimes. Just like sometimes you allow 2 runs in 9 innings and lose.

I was just being a dick.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Rick Helling 98

20-7 4.41

Fucking Cy Young!!!

small game Javy.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

------------- YEAR ERA W
1 Bobo Newsom 1938 5.07 20
2 Ray Kremer 1930 5.02 20
3 Vern Kennedy 1936 4.63 21
4 George Earnshaw 1930 4.44 22
5 Rick Helling 1998 4.41 20
6 Lefty Gomez 1932 4.21 24
7 Wes Ferrell 1936 4.19 20
8 Tim Hudson 2000 4.14 20
9 David Wells 2000 4.11 20
T10 Jim Merritt 1970 4.08 20
T10 Montie Weaver 1932 4.08 22
12 George Uhle 1922 4.08 22
13 Lew Burdette 1959 4.07 21
14 Billy Hoeft 1956 4.06 20
15 Jack Morris 1992 4.04 21
16 Andy Pettitte 2003 4.02 21
17 Murry Dickson 1951 4.02 20

Laurence Holmes is a fucking weirdo, a nerd in denial, and a wannabe. Not a very good radio host either.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.