That Cutler is not the only QB that flashes some emotion at his teammates and that it is not a tragic flaw.

Dan Marino did this and there is an NFL clip I remember seeing recently of Fouts doing this to his receivers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_-Lypb5 ... re=related

I don't know. I can't really judge Eddie Royal. He had a great year when he was better than Brandon Lloyd. He then got passed and outclassed by the same player.
Revisionist history. Shockey was considered washed up. Olsen had a bad year and the Bears moved on. Maybe it was on Martz. Maybe it was on Olsen. Even so, he's putting up roughly the same numbers he did with Orton, or Cutler. I don't even get the point here. Are we saying that Olsen is really good? Remember, the story is that Cutler hasn't had any talent around him.
I don't really think we need to analyze anything. Newton, at least for a season, was elite, with a team that was terrible the year before.

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I agree. That's not his major flaw. His major/tragic flaw is his sub-par accuracy and poor decision making. But making your teammates look bad is never a helpful thing, regardless of how many great QBs have done it(which I think you are overstating)

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Any argument that includes Lloyd as one of the best WRs in the game is bad, real bad.

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Ignoring the fact that Roethlisberger has rings, I still don't see why he's relevant.

Cutler shows frustration all the time when people don't do things as he hoped. He did it in Denver. He does it in Chicago. There is a certain percentage of the Bears fanbase that sees him do it and then it accentuates how much of a problem this is. Every team has players who run a bad route, drop passes, get worried about a hit and gets alligator arms. Cutler is much more demonstrative about it because that's who he is.

It's not like the Bears have some sort of terrible collection of players that do those things at a higher rate than you would expect. Besides the elite players, the rest of the NFL is fairly equal at each position in regards to starters. Cutler hasn't had a Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald but it's not like the 3rd best WR on those teams is significantly better than the Bears 3rd WR.

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You called the Panthers "Steve Smith and a bunch of bums"

Yes or no, did Newton have more to work with last year or did Cutler?

If you are not going to look at why the Panthers were so bad in 2010 and just go with the narrative the Newton was the only difference between 2010 and 2011, then we have to agree to disagree.

Lloyd led the league in receiving yards in 2010. I think it's fair to say he was one of the best WR's in the game.

He isn't today.

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Steve Smith, two WR's that were given up on by the previous teams, one of which was almost out of the league. They had some good RB's, but in general I'm not impressed with the talent of Carolina.
Yes. Steve Smith was better.
I don't really care what other differences there was. Newton put up massive numbers(for a rookie). It's just like I don't care that Peyton Manning had a lot of talent around him or that Matthew Stafford gets to throw to Calvin Johnson.

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I agree that Cutler accuracy should be better and his decision making can be improved, but I think making his teamates look bad is an overblown issue.

I look at QBs in the NFL like this, you have your top QBs, Rodgers, Brees, Brady, (Peyton Manning when he was healthy ) then you have a couple of QBs who are not the upper elite but because of playoff success are in the second tier, Eli and Big Ben. Then you have a tier of QB's lime Matt Ryan, Flacco, Newton, Schaub, Cutler who are sort of a blob, in many ways interchangable, some of these QB's may have a liitle better numbers but some of it has to do with the scheme or talent around them. Matt Flynn put up record numbers in his last start with GB, scheme and talent had a lot to do with that.

So is Cutler a top 10 QB? Maybe, maybe not. To me the difference between lets say 9 and 13 is miniscule. Still this is the best the Bears have been at QB in my lifetime so it is hard for me to get all hot and bothered and say Cutler is a failure. Cutler is the least of my worries regrding this Bears team.

Or perhaps it is just a manifestation of how bad things really are? Like I said, you don't see this stuff on other teams, to this level. And Denver wasn't much better. Those years were Cutler, Marshall, Royal and the white possession/slot WR that I cannot remember the name of. They didn't have a great running game, a great offensive line, or any defense. And they had a front office in flux.

I swear I really do not see any difference in the way Cutler acts over Mr walk on water in Green Bay, when things go bad. There just happens to be a lot of bad here. The kind of bad you don't see at this level.

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When faced with adversity, I'm sure a great leader like Tom Brady would never do something to embarrass his coaches or teammates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wYcMnxk ... re=related

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Peyton Manning is always a model of decorum on the sidelines: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_-Lypb5 ... re=related

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As for the 2012 Bears, since Urlacher is out & may not ever play again, I'll change my original 13-3 prediction to 12-4. Bears still win the North.

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Why do people always go to the "Other QB's do it too" route? Cutler does it all the time, so a bunch of Bears fans play off of that and think that it's somehow unique to Chicago that players sometimes run bad routes or drop passes and do it more often than most. No one complains that the Colts or Patriots receivers don't give them a chance to do well. Go look at the apologists in here and see what I'm talking about. They will find literally anyone else to blame but Cutler.

I have never said Cutler is the only person who does it, though in my opinion he does it far more often than most other quarterbacks I've seen.

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You shouldve seen Shermans jerk face when some soldiers dropped a few books of matches in Atlanta a few years back.

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You are full of shit.

I can only imagine if an assistant coach had to be pushed away from Cutler, what the response around here would be or if an OL guy had to tell him to get away.

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Brady and Cutler dont hold the same amount of respect within their respective organizations, nor should they. All QBs are not created equal.

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Never said they were, still doesn't change my point.

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Actually it changes it enormously. If Cutler ends up doing for the Bears was Brady has done for the Pats I doubt Brick or any other Bear fan would talk a lot of shit about him getting in an argument with a coach on the sideline.

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I was just playing around a little, Rick. From my perspective, most quarterbacks are jerks, but Cutler is definitely more obnoxious than most. For me, though, the problem is one of consistency. To this point in his Bears' tenure, I would say that Cutler simply hasn't been good enough. As you have mentioned, he is sporadically inaccurate and doesn't always read the field well, even when he's not being pressured.

It's equally true, though, that the coaching and talent complementing Cutler haven't been good enough either.

We'll see what happens this season. Now that Cutler has become the team's de facto offensive coordinator and GM, he will (barring unforeseen circumstances) have no one to blame for his shortcomings but himself.

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I'm sure I'd say something about it, but there is a pretty strong pattern of behavior here and in Denver with Cutler. That is really the point here.

The failures of the other players on the Bears offense is accentuated by how demonstrative Cutler is about those failures. This would be true in New England or Indianapolis but those teams don't have the reputation because they've put up huge numbers. Unfortunately, the Bears offense hasn't done that here. When Brady rolls his eyes at Wes Welker for running the wrong route you move on because of how the offense has worked in the past. When Cutler rolls his eyes at Earl Bennett you don't do the same.

That is really the point.

Not to mention, given how inconsistent Cutler is, I'm not sure he's the right guy that should expect everyone else to be perfect on every play. Brady and Manning can be.

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Agreed. I know it doesn't come off as it, but I know there is more blame to go around than just with Cutler.

There are enough Cutler apologists around here that I pretty much always get drawn to the "Cutler deserves more blame" side. I get the feeling that there are many people on here would defend Cutler if he punted the ball on every first down and blame it on our punter for not doing his job well enough.

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I have no problem blaming Cutler for his play on the field, which is where he should be judged. I just have never understood why people spend so much time bitching about facial expressions and stuff like that. I mean the guy cannot frown on the sidelines without it being a controversy. Let his play dictate how he is viewed. I do not care if he has to be separated from an assistant coach every game and tells his lineman to fuck off after every series.

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At least in this thread, the point was that Cutler's behavior gives the impression that the Bears players are more inept than your average team. Here is an example.

I don't think that on average, the Bears are any more or less inept than any other teams WR core. Now, they did lack the big play receiver but I don't think if you put Earl Bennett in New England or Green Bay that he'd suddenly have better fundamentals and would run routes better.

It's that Bears fans see Cutler grousing at someone or rolling his eyes and they say "How can he compete with these losers!". It's the NFL. Parity is king here. The Bears don't have some monopoly on players that run bad routes from time to time.

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I guess BRick is in midseason form already.

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This was the first preseason game I was able to watch. Cutler's throws didn't seem as accurate as he has been in the past. Anyone get the feeling that he may never be? The injury possibility I haven't seen debated as rampantly as his facial expressions which surprised me. That thumb thing may keep him from ever reaching whatever potential he may have had. Yes, I am keeping the "Cutler ceiling" simple in that I understand there is some debate how good he ever could have been.

I don't think anyone with an IQ of at least 2 digits gives a crap about his facial expression on the sidelines. IT's all media crap because hes not a butt kisser.

Remember in the 90s the big to do about Frank Thomas not smiling in the ondeck circle at a fan? You would have thought he went out and shot a few people.

Orton smiled on the sidelines and gladhanded the media that's why they adored him. The media would rather have Orton.