Different context. He said Sale had a makeup and skill set similar to Randy Johnson. He never said Sale's ceiling was at a Randy Johnson level. He also said that in retort to IMU comparing Chris Sale to Erik Bedard.

The White Sox system has churned out major leaguer after major leaguer. Productive and sometimes All Star players at that. Just because not all of them play for the Sox, doesn't mean that their system has not been fruitful. They have had their own guys become impact players for them, and they have also picked up guys passed on by other teams;

Chris Sale
Gordon Beckham
Addison Reed
Gio Gonzalez
Nate Jones
Jose Quintana
John Danks
Jordan Danks
Clayton Richard
Tyler Flowers
Brent Lillibridge
Chris Getz
Alexei Ramirez
Nick Masset
Boone Logan
Joe Crede
Lucas Harrell
Daniel Hudson
Sergio Santos
Brent Morel

Its one of the biggest misconceptions out there, that the White Sox system is so bad. Yet ALL of the players above have been viable Major League players at some point since 2008. All were in the Sox system. Keep swinging and missing, IMU. At least you are consistently looking foolish in this thread!

You could make a similar list for most teams in baseball, Frank.

Sale is certainly superior to Randy Johnson at the same age and same stage of their careers. Johnson walked the whole fucking world until he was nearly 30. But if anyone were to suggest that Sale will have the career Johnson did, I would think they were insane. Maybe he will, but it isn't something to count on. It just doesn't happen enough.

The modern fan gets so excited when a guy has a good three months. If I were to tell today's fan that you could lock Trout's career in right now as Harold Baines or Andre Dawson, most would think that was stupid, as if Trout is guaranteed to be better than that. Realistically, he probably won't be. Just like the guys who think Durant will average more than 22 ppg for his career. He better start throwing up some 30 ppg seasons right now.

The Durant thing is a little weird. He'll likely end up around 24 or 25.

Give us the Cubs list, Bryan.

How could you possibly figure that? He's averaging 26 and change right now. He will certainly have years at the end where he averages 12 or something like that.

Hamilton is a stretch name you threw in there for shock value, but the point is well made.

Hamilton is a stretch name you threw in there for shock value, but the point is well made.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Not really. Prior was up in 2003 and Wood in 1998. My initial list for the Sox guys was from 2008 thru the present.

But I can go back and edit my list to include Magglio Ordonez, Frank Thomas, Jack McDowell, Mark Buerhle, Keith Foulke...among others

but ill make another list once you define the parameters you are using to make the White Sox system look good.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Well, if they are claiming Quintana

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Outside of Crede, nobody on that list made their MLB debut prior to 2007. You went back to 1998 to attempt to make your list look better.

I'm not saying the Sox have this some all time great system or that its even one of the best in MLB. But its certainly nowhere near the worst, as many people believe. The amount of MLB players the Sox system has produced recently shows that to be true.

What do you mean certainly? He almost certainly will NOT ever average anything close to 12. He's a great scorer and getting better. His career avg is 26.8 right now. It will go up a bit and then come back to 24

EDIT/ADD: Dominique averaged 24.8 ppg. He had a 27 game season at the end where he averaged 5.0 I think Durant is better than him.

What superstar scorer ever averages 12?

The White Sox did teach Quintana how to throw a cutter which helped turn him into the pitcher he is now. I don't think the Cubs taught Hamilton anything in the 5 minutes he was in the organization.

Many average far below what they did in their 20s at the end. Aguirre, McAdoo. What did Malone get as a Laker? Even the great Jordan was under 20 in his last year.

Well, if they are claiming Quintana

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

Did the Cubs bring Hamilton to the big leagues? They didnt even know what they had. At least the Sox knew Gio was decent.

No. All that credit goes to Flintstone vitamins.

Morel is still young enough to have a solid career.

Anyway, the Cubs have developed some players too. IMU, stupidly, inferred that the Cubs were churning out all star after all star, and that Jackson is on that same path. He's had a good 10-12 games or so. Good for him. 2 weeks ago he was striking out more than Adam Dunn.....who IMU apparently thinks is awful and would rather Soriano over 40+ HRs and likely 100+ RBI's

I don't even think 312whistler would take Soriano over Dunn and/or Jackson over Trout. I guess the overall point of this whole thing is that IMU is kinda pretty stupid.

IMU, stupidly, inferred that the Cubs were churning out all star after all star, and that Jackson is on that same path.

Castro and Lahair, that's an all-star after all-star. Sounds right.

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

I don't even know if Mike Trout will be as good as Mike Trout. He has had a hell of a 2012 season...it could be somewhat of an aberration. He may never approach those season numbers again.