Yeah, seriously. The player has a completely different view of the game than the fan. Frank is with the Sox for his life. Alex Rios is with whoever is signing his check.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I think its more of a "they are who we thought they were" than a choke. To choke would mean they should have been there in the first place....and speaking of first place

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I don't know what this means, so I'll take it as a "yes".

Man, I still can't believe that the White Sox choked away a division title.

If you could define choking it would be a better argument. But don't say that it's losing 10 of 12 and then tell me next year it's losing 5 of 8 or whatever. Teams do exactly what they're capable of doing. The Sox and Tigers aren't great teams. That's why 87 wins or so is taking the division.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Its not much of a division title when 2 teams have better records and will not make the playoffs.

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Is the spot where you hang up on me and sigh to Terry?

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Absolutely.





I can't believe how DL III choked under the pressure.

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No. I'm not hanging up. I'm sitting here waiting for more of your meatball thoughts.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Your signature line says it perfectly.

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
--yet I can't look away."

Dude. Is something wrong with you? You have missed me and others defining it several times... How is that possible? You been getting you ass handed to you in this thread, and your absolute failure to acknowledge eveb the basic facts, such as the repeated definition of choke by many posters, is proof that you've lost the internets today. Sad, but true.

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Just tell me what choking is in a way other than "I know it when I see it." It's just losing games. In the case of the White Sox, do you really think this was a 90 win team without their opening day starter for most of the season?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

But you haven't defined it. You're spouting some ambiguous bullshit. Like the Sox losing 10 of 12 in September is choking and the Cubs losing 10 of 12 in August isn't. Or it could be. Or maybe not. Depending on what the Esteemed Board Elder Sir Darkside deems on a given day.

And stop trying to rally a micro-mob. You should know by now that shit doesn't work with me. I'm as comfortabale debating six dummies at once as I am just one.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Losing 10 of the final 12.
Being in first for 117 days and losing a 3 gane lead in the last week of the season.

Who cares what the opening day line was? Its irrelevant to the fact that the opening day lines were not reality. Fact is, they were the first place team since what, June? So much so that the popular opinion on this board was that they were a shoe in for the division, right up until this weekend. The final weekend of the season. Pretty obvious to all but the most blinded by denial baseball observer.

Thanks. That will be the last time I'll define it for you. I'm sure you'll completely ignore it and again, claim no one defined it.

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Again - how can a person (JORR) definitively say that a team absolutely "did not choke" and then admit to not having any idea what choking actually means?


I know it's against the law, but since I am admitting to being ignorant of the law........

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There's nothing to deny. I think the team played exactly as well as it should have because that's what it did.

They haven't lost ten of the final twelve. It seems as if your real definition of choking is losing more than Darkside thinks you should.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

You'll have to show me where I've said definitively that any team didn't choke. I said I don't believe the Sox choked and challenged anyone to define what "choking" is. Darkside says it's losing 10 of 12. Except when the Cubs do it. Then it's just a terrible team losing.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

For fucks sake. Jesus. Your name should be semantics rod.
10 of theor last 12. They got what 3 left? That's close enough.
You know what I mean. Don't be a schmuck.

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Jorr... What is a close play? A guy out by 6 inches and not seven? Is it a rjnner out by a half a step at first or only a quarter step? I'm sure the definition is different to each observer based on the circumstances, but one can't deny a close play when they see it, nor can its existence be denied.

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Whatever. You can't define it. You're just doing meatball fan talk. It's cool. Most fans do it. A few losses at the wrong time is "choking." A few hits at the right time is "clutch."

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Like Spanky said, if we have to define what "choking" is, then how can one say the Sox didn't choke?

I guess a close play is whatever you say it is.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

This is ironic, right?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Kind of like a layup.

Denial. You're just in denial. I'm not shocked. Its one of the most rudimentary of defense mechanisms. Its the one that requires the least amount of intelligence. Very basic. Very caveman.
It doesn't take any wits to cover your ears and close you eyes and scream "I can't hear you I can't hear you!".
It requires no absolute definition, just like a "close play" requires no definition. It is what it is. Everyone knows it when they see it j less they've committed to the veil of denial and ignorance.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
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Sorry, I was giving you credit for self-awareness. Anyway, if you can't define it, how the fuck is anyone supposed to know what it is?

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

At least Joe Orr is here to debate this unlike the constant shit talking dolphin.

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What do you think I'm denying? It doesn't really matter to me whether the White Sox players all got scared and shit their pants in the face of pennant race pressure or whether they just weren't good enough. The result is exactly the same.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

But if it's "not defined", let's just go ahead and say it definitely isn't true.

You're right, that is a lot easier!