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Tiger played a lot better than his numbers. He sucked friday morning and got off to a slow start in the afternoon and then birdied something like 4-5 holes on the back nine to get his team back into it only to have Stricker suck and give him no help in the comeback. Then Saturday afternoon he played well, especially on the back where he birdied 4-5 holes again, but his partner was a bum and he was unlucky to run into the hottest putting display in Ryder history from the big Belgium.

Then Sunday, he was 1 up sitting in the middle of the fairway on 18 when it ended.

As far as the team goats, he's not even in the top 3 which is reserved for Stricker, Furyk and Snedeker. Those 3 played far worse than Tiger and easily cost the US the Cup.

Also, take away one session (saturday morning) from Bubba and he was pretty brutal the rest of the weekend. Simpson got no help from him in their win Saturday afternoon and then he got schooled by Donald sunday.


While I agree that Tiger's play improved on Sunday, he was still pretty lousy the rest of the tournament. Both Furyk and Snedeker won points for the U.S. whereas Stricker and Woods did not. I guess I don't follow your logic here.


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Tiger played a lot better than his numbers. He sucked friday morning and got off to a slow start in the afternoon and then birdied something like 4-5 holes on the back nine to get his team back into it only to have Stricker suck and give him no help in the comeback. Then Saturday afternoon he played well, especially on the back where he birdied 4-5 holes again, but his partner was a bum and he was unlucky to run into the hottest putting display in Ryder history from the big Belgium.

Then Sunday, he was 1 up sitting in the middle of the fairway on 18 when it ended.

As far as the team goats, he's not even in the top 3 which is reserved for Stricker, Furyk and Snedeker. Those 3 played far worse than Tiger and easily cost the US the Cup.

Also, take away one session (saturday morning) from Bubba and he was pretty brutal the rest of the weekend. Simpson got no help from him in their win Saturday afternoon and then he got schooled by Donald sunday.


While I agree that Tiger's play improved on Sunday, he was still pretty lousy the rest of the tournament. Both Furyk and Snedeker won points for the U.S. whereas Stricker and Woods did not. I guess I don't follow your logic here.

My thoughts as well. He was o fer first 2 days, zero points. If he and Stricker manage only 1 point between them they win. They both contributed zero.

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 Post subject: Re: 2012 Ryder Cup
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Unfortunately for Sticker, he is by far the "goat" of the week for the U.S. He has Woods to thank for much of that, but nevertheless the fact remains.


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Tiger played a lot better than his numbers. He sucked friday morning and got off to a slow start in the afternoon and then birdied something like 4-5 holes on the back nine to get his team back into it only to have Stricker suck and give him no help in the comeback. Then Saturday afternoon he played well, especially on the back where he birdied 4-5 holes again, but his partner was a bum and he was unlucky to run into the hottest putting display in Ryder history from the big Belgium.

Then Sunday, he was 1 up sitting in the middle of the fairway on 18 when it ended.

As far as the team goats, he's not even in the top 3 which is reserved for Stricker, Furyk and Snedeker. Those 3 played far worse than Tiger and easily cost the US the Cup.

Also, take away one session (saturday morning) from Bubba and he was pretty brutal the rest of the weekend. Simpson got no help from him in their win Saturday afternoon and then he got schooled by Donald sunday.


While I agree that Tiger's play improved on Sunday, he was still pretty lousy the rest of the tournament. Both Furyk and Snedeker won points for the U.S. whereas Stricker and Woods did not. I guess I don't follow your logic here.



Saturday afternoon he birdied 4 holes on the back to lead a comeback from 4 down. Stricker birdied #12 and then didn't register a score on any hole the rest of the way.

Friday afternoon he was 1 down on the back and he birdied 4 holes, Striker didn't get a single birdie on the back. That's more than good enough to win by Tiger, but no help from his partner and the Belgium putting better than anyone in RC history was too much to overcome.

Sunday, he was about to get a point but the RC ended before he could approach the green.

Compare that to Furyk and Snedeker who picked up 1 pt between the two of them, and that was only because of Furyk. Snedeker was the worst player in the tournament without a doubt, getting housed by Lawrie on Sunday. Furyk choked it all away on Sunday, bogeying 17 and 18. Compared to Tiger who actually showed up Sunday they had worse weekends than him.

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As poor as Snedeker was, he still scored more points than Stricker and Woods combined. They were up against hot competition on Saturday afternoon...they still both sucked on Friday.

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As poor as Snedeker was, he still scored more points than Stricker and Woods combined. They were up against hot competition on Saturday afternoon...they still both sucked on Friday.


This.

Whether Snedeker played well or awful during the first two days won't show up in the overall score, which is the luxury of team play. Woods played much better Saturday afternoon and Sunday, but that won't show up either since his team still lost.

The only reason I put Tiger ahead of Stricker this weekend is because he managed a half-point on Sunday.


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I find the scoring to be somewhat confusing. Instead of matching them off against each why not just give the win to the team with the lowest overall number of strokes?

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I find the scoring to be somewhat confusing. Instead of matching them off against each why not just give the win to the team with the lowest overall number of strokes?

You should start a thread with that question.

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I find the scoring to be somewhat confusing. Instead of matching them off against each why not just give the win to the team with the lowest overall number of strokes?


Because then you wouldn't be using match format and the entire event loses meaning.


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I find the scoring to be somewhat confusing. Instead of matching them off against each why not just give the win to the team with the lowest overall number of strokes?


Because there's a ton of strategy/risk taking that goes into a match play format. Whether guys lay up, go aggressive with the putt etc. Otherwise you can just play a normal tournament and compare the top 12 European scores to that of the Americans.

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As poor as Snedeker was, he still scored more points than Stricker and Woods combined. They were up against hot competition on Saturday afternoon...they still both sucked on Friday.


This.

Whether Snedeker played well or awful during the first two days won't show up in the overall score, which is the luxury of team play. Woods played much better Saturday afternoon and Sunday, but that won't show up either since his team still lost.

The only reason I put Tiger ahead of Stricker this weekend is because he managed a half-point on Sunday.


I agree with most of this.

Tiger shot -7 Friday afternoon. Unfortunately Colsaerts shot -10. Nobody on Team America was going to beat Colsaerts. And I know it's match play but neither Stricker or Westwood did anything Friday afternoon. Those two would have been better off rounding up the Perkins waitresses for Tiger's post-match fun.

The highest ranked American golfer cannot go 0-3-1 in the Ryder Cup. Tiger did. They lost. It's not all his fault, but he obviously didn't help.

I also have no idea why Stricker was his partner Saturday afternoon.


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Part of me quoted it because I thought a couple of the golf fans on the board would find that kinda cool. The other part of me quoted because I knew you would say something about it. I'd have quoted it even if I got nothing just because of that. I'm certainly more entertaining than you, but that's not saying much.

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Part of me quoted it because I thought a couple of the golf fans on the board would find that kinda cool. The other part of me quoted because I knew you would say something about it. I'd have quoted it even if I got nothing just because of that. I'm certainly more entertaining than you, but that's not saying much.

Whats more pathetic...crowing about getting 3 autographs like a 9 year old, or thinking about your favorite internet troll before you post?

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There is a mindset among some fans that when a team loses, someone on their preferred team must be blamed. Conversely, when their team wins, they get the credit. It is almost as if for these fans, the opponents' play doesn't matter. The Euros won because they played well and made more putts on Sunday. It wasn't a "collapse"...The Americans played ok to good. Several Euros played better. Whenever a team wins 8.5 -3.5 (Sunday's score) the winning team must have done a lot to win. I think credit goes to them much more than discrediting the Americans.


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There is a mindset among some fans that when a team loses, someone on their preferred team must be blamed. Conversely, when their team wins, they get the credit. It is almost as if for these fans, the opponents' play doesn't matter. The Euros won because they played well and made more putts on Sunday. It wasn't a "collapse"...The Americans played ok to good. Several Euros played better. Whenever a team wins 8.5 -3.5 (Sunday's score) the winning team must have done a lot to win. I think credit goes to them much more than discrediting the Americans.

I could agree with that more if we hadn't epicly failed on 17 and 18 so badly. When it got the toughest, we folded.

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I could agree with that more if we hadn't epicly failed on 17 and 18 so badly. When it got the toughest, we folded.


The string of 7 or 8 golfers in a row who put their approach 10 yards past the pin was maddening. Adrenalin=hitting a ball further? Shocking.

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There is a mindset among some fans that when a team loses, someone on their preferred team must be blamed. Conversely, when their team wins, they get the credit. It is almost as if for these fans, the opponents' play doesn't matter. The Euros won because they played well and made more putts on Sunday. It wasn't a "collapse"...The Americans played ok to good. Several Euros played better. Whenever a team wins 8.5 -3.5 (Sunday's score) the winning team must have done a lot to win. I think credit goes to them much more than discrediting the Americans.
I could agree with that more if we hadn't epicly failed on 17 and 18 so badly. When it got the toughest, we folded.
Choked :P

I agree to an extent, Coast. But as Hawg implied, just pars from some of the guys on the 17th and 18th at least gets half points.

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You're right Coast, the Euros played better.

The amount of skill it took to make some of those five footers...can't blame our guys for missing those.


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Well we can't say they didn't care enough to take 5 minutes to line up every missed putt. It's like they were replacement refs


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There is a mindset among some fans that when a team loses, someone on their preferred team must be blamed. Conversely, when their team wins, they get the credit. It is almost as if for these fans, the opponents' play doesn't matter. The Euros won because they played well and made more putts on Sunday. It wasn't a "collapse"...The Americans played ok to good. Several Euros played better. Whenever a team wins 8.5 -3.5 (Sunday's score) the winning team must have done a lot to win. I think credit goes to them much more than discrediting the Americans.

Not exactly a deep thought there. And you can take sports out of that.

When something/someone/anything is successful, somebody gets credit.
When something/someone/anything fails, somebody gets blame.

Companies, relationships, sports, investing, raising kids, etc. That's how life works.

Now that we've all agreed on that - let's blame the right people.

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When something/someone/anything is successful, somebody gets credit.
When something/someone/anything fails, somebody gets blame.


Of course. It is appropo that there be both. I guess I missed the credit part in this thread. All I saw was the blame part.


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I find the scoring to be somewhat confusing. Instead of matching them off against each why not just give the win to the team with the lowest overall number of strokes?


Because then you wouldn't be using match format and the entire event loses meaning.


I'm just suggesting that they shouldn't play with matches.

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I find the scoring to be somewhat confusing. Instead of matching them off against each why not just give the win to the team with the lowest overall number of strokes?


Because then you wouldn't be using match format and the entire event loses meaning.


I'm just suggesting that they shouldn't play with matches.


And Ugie is just suggesting that you're an idiot.

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I find the scoring to be somewhat confusing. Instead of matching them off against each why not just give the win to the team with the lowest overall number of strokes?


Because then you wouldn't be using match format and the entire event loses meaning.


I'm just suggesting that they shouldn't play with matches.


Especially if they don't want to get burned.

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